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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg so the day after

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we did our show with Scott Suzanne

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Ramsey I got my copy of the Aztec

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incident recovery at Hart Canyon and

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then what a few days later when you got

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home Chris you got your copy yeah I did

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unfortunately I haven't had a chance to

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look at mine yet but I can't wait I

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think one of considerations here is that

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after all these years what actually

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happened at Hart Canyon and does this

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look as they say solve the case or just

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create the case for the prosecution

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opening up a big can of worms or a room

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for more investigation I don't know I

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think they did a good job presenting

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many years of work and research that

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they've done there are still some

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questions I think open in my mind but it

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is a very intriguing scenario and there

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there is I think enough smoking gun

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style evidence to warrant the amount of

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time and attention that the Ramseys have

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put in on it I think the jury is still

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out until I read the book and really

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dive into the minutia but I thought I

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thought Scott and Suzanne did a very

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good job presenting the information I

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actually I you know hats off to them I

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think they really presented it well well

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certainly they're dedicated and they're

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not looking for glory they're not

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looking for money because according to

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Scott he spent about a half million

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dollars investigating the Aztec case

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over a period of 25 years half a million

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dollars he's published a book which he

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sells for $25 he printed about a

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thousand copies of it and assuming the

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book costs him like eight or ten dollars

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a copy plus shipping

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if he gets 12 or 15 dollars a copy he's

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lucky so you're spending half a million

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dollars you're getting a return on your

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investment of 12 to 15 thousand dollars

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that to me shows dedication and

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sincerity he's not looking for glory

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you really have to hand it to

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my you know again hats off to all that

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hard work and years of dedication and

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it'll be interesting to see how the you

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falada community reacts to to this again

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I was pleasantly surprised at the amount

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of really hard-nosed investigation and

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research they've done it's certainly one

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of the things we have to bear in mind

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when we look at the Aztec case is that's

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had a checkered history first in 1950 we

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have the book behind the flying saucers

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from Frank Scully and two of his

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principal sources are supposedly charged

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with trying to defraud someone of course

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nowadays that's a badge of honor you

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know these days of course if you run a

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multinational bank and maybe you lose

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three or four billion dollars nobody

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cares nobody takes you less seriously in

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those days you're not cynical cynical no

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cynical is my middle name

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but let's look seriously at this case

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here now among the skeptics is none

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other than our old friend Kevin Randall

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who's well known UFO investigators

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studied the Roswell case for many years

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and he sent me a copy of a letter that

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he wrote to Scott Ramsey and so

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literally says you know it's not a

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secret that he wrote the letter he

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remains unconvinced he thinks I did a

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very good job but he's not convinced

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anything happened there and we have to

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look though that Scott and Suzanne said

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they talked to someone who saw a UFO

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around that time sure someone near the

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end of his life they talked to supposing

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i witness 'as of the landing site and

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this is where things can get murky

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because obviously if someone's trying to

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remember something that happened six or

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seven decades earlier some of the key

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details may have gotten screwed up think

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for example that maybe we were testing a

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saucer-shaped aircraft in the late 40s

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and it crashed or made a soft landing

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whatever happened

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well people of being infused with

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decades of UFO lore might inflate the

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size of the craft for maybe 20 or 25

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feet to 100 feet you never know that's

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one possibility what do you think yeah

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obviously with the amount of water under

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the bridge that is always a possibility

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but the one thing that I found a little

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strange was the story of the priests

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that stumbled on the site and was asked

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last rites or blessings to aliens it was

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kind of scratching my head when I heard

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that in not quite sure what to make of

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it how about Eugene well that kind of

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stuff is what makes this case so

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difficult to dismiss you can't dismiss

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this completely because what do these

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people see what did they see that they

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make up the story all these separate

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people about a possible crashed aircraft

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in Aztec New Mexico in March of 1948 did

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they make that up we can understand if

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the only evidence for this case

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consisted of the Frank Scully book but

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as soon as you move beyond that book and

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look at the independent confirmation you

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have to think well something happened

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there we don't know if the remembrances

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are correct certainly you have that

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cement slab that's over there that may

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have been used as part of the operation

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to move this flying saucer now what

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bothers me are the theories about how

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they would disassemble this craft you

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know I understand if we're dealing with

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20th century technology that's one thing

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you know maybe a test aircraft but

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imagine a flying saucer hundred feet in

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diameter coming here from another star

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system a mother ship whatever and do you

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think that we have the technology to

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disassemble that thing that's what

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doesn't make sense I can't get a handle

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on that that was the other part of the

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whole thing that really didn't quite add

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up

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I liked my idea though that they brought

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in a giant blowtorch and just cut it in

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half or cut it in thirds

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sure a giant blowtorch but then how's

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that gonna work on some highly advanced

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spaceship using advanced metallurgy all

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right it wouldn't work on the Roswell

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debris right yeah I don't think that

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well that of course was a crash where

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everything flew apart you have to wonder

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also some of this doesn't make a lot of

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sense if the craft had a tiny porthole

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okay tiny hull breach for a tiny hole in

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the porthole of the ship would that

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cause such an effect that it would cause

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the passengers of pilots to burn to a

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crisp what about the controls what about

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the rest of the

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why would they burned it doesn't make

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sense to me yeah there are a lot of

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things that don't add up and you know

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unfortunately I just got back from quite

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an exciting trip and was gone you know

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for the past four days I haven't had a

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chance to really look at the book but

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maybe we should revisit this at some

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point and come up with a list of

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hard-hitting questions to put to the

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Ramseys and see how they respond to them

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and possibly maybe we should also

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consider inviting Kevin Randle on the

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show because he is a disbeliever in the

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Aztec case and perhaps if he debates

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with the Ramseys they can go over the

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key issues of disagreement and see where

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we go the problem is that when we're

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talking about something that happened so

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long ago and this goes back to even the

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Roswell case it may never be solved it

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may be one of those tantalizing

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mysteries that almost prove something

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but doesn't it can almost count on that

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in any case that's it the book is called

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the Aztec incident recoveried Hart

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Canyon by a copy of the book and see for

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yourself what you think maybe some of

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our readers can have some insights maybe

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if you know about construction if you

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know about that part of the country you

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might have some one of a handle as to

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what might have gone on but this week

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we're going to talk about something

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totally different and some of our

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listeners say you know what we talk

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about UFOs too often and maybe we should

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cover other subjects of course very

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recently we have the executive producer

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of the my ghost story TV show for

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biography channel and today we're going

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to bring on Jeff Stewart of a group

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called pine which is the paranormal

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investigators of New England and they've

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been around since 2000 for eight years

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and they have amassed a lot of

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interesting information and they have an

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extensive investigatory toolkit to use

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to check out ghost stories that's very

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impressive toolkit I think I love toys

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well they have a lot of toys to play

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with

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it looks like these guys are really

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serious about this kind of research and

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maybe with people like this in their

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organization

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around the country around the world and

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engage in investigating cases about

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ghosts maybe if we put all these people

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together we'll figure out what's really

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going on is it dead people or what and

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by the way what they don't use they

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don't use dowsing rods they'll use ghost

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boxes they don't use pendulums and they

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certainly don't use a Ouija board let's

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take a few seconds to pull this off if

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you want to get in touch with us they're

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several ways one is to write us news if

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the para cast come once again that's

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news at the power cast come on Twitter

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we are the power cast Jeff Stewart from

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paranormal investigators of New England

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you know why today we welcome Jeff

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Stewart ghost hunter and he's part of an

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organization called paranormal

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investigators of New England man we're

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going to talk about first of all his

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interest in the subject about the

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equipment they use in their

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investigations and how the organization

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got started Jeff welcome to the power

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cast thank you it's my pleasure so Jeff

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the big question we all want to know

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about our guests is how they get

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involved in the world of paranormal

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where's your introduction did you have a

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paranormal encounter what started you on

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this quest actually a little different

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than most people in this field I got

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interested in it because of a former

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guest of the pair cast by the gentleman

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by the name of Joe citro who's now a

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really good friend of mine I was just a

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young kid crawl around 14 15 years old

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just looking for a book to read in the

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library and sure enough I found Green

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Mountain go schools and unsolved

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mysteries and I'm like hmm okay

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everyone loves ghost stories and at the

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time x-files was in its first year

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season so I was such a fan of that show

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so I picked up the book and started

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reading and I couldn't put it down

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I had to beg the librarian to let me

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take this thing with me and you know

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what I still have it and I know that's

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wrong you really shouldn't take a book

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from a library and not return it but I I

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loved it I really did and I you know I

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literally just started becoming

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fascinated with these stories so I just

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started taking off and poking around

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wherever I could get to at 14 15 years

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of age you got interested in that

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particular connection is there anything

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in your professional life that involves

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investigating anything yes actually I'm

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currently a bail enforcement agent oh

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you're one of them people yes yes I am

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I am a bounty hunter and that stems from

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me working briefly as a private

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investigator and security officer so I

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kind of come from the law enforcement

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side of things as a again around the

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same age I don't I don't know why but I

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got into being a police Explorer for the

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Burlington Police Department here in

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Vermont and that really opened up my

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eyes to law enforcement so what what I

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do now is really no different than what

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a private investigator does for

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insurance claims and things of that

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nature okay so you're involved in the

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law enforcement game that helps

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certainly hone your investigative skills

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but why focus on looking for ghosts it's

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just a passion that I had like I said I

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just became a fan and just fascinated

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with the field of the paranormal whether

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it's ghosts monsters aliens UFOs

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I don't limit myself to just ghosts and

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hauntings even though that is most of

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what we investigate but we get our

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shares of cryptids and UFOs out here in

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Vermont as well just just a fascination

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gene but I also have to mention that I

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did witness what I consider an

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unidentified flying objects they were

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- circular glow ish whitish objects high

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up above window skis baseball field and

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I wasn't alone I was with one of my high

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school buddies this is when I was about

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15 or 16 or so so I was already in the

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field poking around and I knew right

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away it was it wasn't you know it wasn't

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anything that we would call terrestrial

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it just it was impossible these two orb

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objects kind of hovered around a little

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bit and took off in different directions

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with them I don't know maybe a second

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and the whole duration of the time was

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probably two minutes and you say this

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was something that couldn't possibly be

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terrestrial or some kind of known craft

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that is correct at the time I was also

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in a program called Civil Air Patrol

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which really helped me understand

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aerospace education so I pretty much had

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a good well I should say a better

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knowledge of aircraft and in known

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aircrafts that they use in military or

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at least the ones they want us to know

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that that's out there I know just in the

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previous week's episode we were talking

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with Scott Ramsey about the Aztec UFO

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case if it was a UFO case and there we

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were talking about you know whether it

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was possibly some kind of test aircraft

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so we understand that but is that the

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only UFO that you ever saw that is the

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only UFO that I saw that's ahead of me

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because I've seen none objection yeah I

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think they don't like arrogant Jewish

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boys from Brooklyn New York but then

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we're going to have someone else who's

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an arrogant Jewish boy from Brooklyn and

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he's going to say you know I've seen

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UFOs all the time you know I'm having

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tea with your table tonight

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you know but me never happens it might

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just be you to be your deodorant is that

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what it is I catch a my deodorant maybe

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that's the only funny for a second and a

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very brief second yeah thank you but

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proceeding with your experiences

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moving on to cryptids to ghosts ever see

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anything else unusual no no I haven't I

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I guess I'd have to say that I I know a

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lot of people that have had experiences

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with ghosts in poltergeist type activity

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and they're people I trust they're not

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just some random stranger on the street

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these are people that have no reason to

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lie to me that feel that they've

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experienced ghosts apparitions spirits

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whatever you may call them even demonic

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entities as well so you know there's no

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reason to disbelieve them but you know

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what I believe is the possibilities are

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there one thing about me that a lot of

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people don't understand is I come in

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from it as a private investigator not

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someone who's looking to prove that

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ghosts and monsters and demons exist I

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just I guess I say I'm a lot like Joe

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Nichols in a way the the gentleman from

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the choir of inquiry I I guess I'm more

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like more like him than anything else

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I'm just kind of on the thin line a you

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know like Fox Mulder I want to believe

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but at the same time you know I am a

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rationalist I have to be skeptical and

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objective that's not to say that the

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whole group is that way we're kind of

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mixed matched of different opinions and

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views and people that have had

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experiences of their own that share with

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other people that haven't in first and

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foremost we're really out there to help

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people with whatever problems they they

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come with us at yeah that's what I've

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noticed stew out in the field it's it's

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interesting that a large portion of your

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work is helping people that have

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experienced unusual things come to grips

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with it and put it into some sort of

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rational context it's almost like you're

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a paranormal shrink for lack of a better

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term we do that - believe it or not we

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actually have support groups here in

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Vermont that we kind of got started for

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different case scenarios people have

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experienced violent

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tends to demonic activity to possession

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different than the a angel okay so this

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organization is the AAA for those who

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have had a paranormal encounter Jeffster

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636
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or two about the power of caste and

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which I believe is the gold standard the

638
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and you notice that Jim is never going

639
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to say anything definite he thinks for

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the gold standard of paranormal radio he

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doesn't know when he won't confirm it

642
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this equation that's right Jim the

643
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equivocator we have Jeff Stewart we're

644
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exploring his ghost hunting organization

645
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so being a bail bondsman or a bounty

646
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hunter and I have to ask you later about

647
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the movies about bounty hunters and

648
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whether you think they're being

649
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portrayed in an unrealistic fashion dog

650
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candy candy how did you start this

651
00:27:55,180 --> 00:27:51,000
organization how'd you guys put this

652
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together okay well I have to go back to

653
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2001 I believe is when I really

654
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officially started with an organization

655
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out of Worcester Massachusetts

656
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yes I actually drove down from little

657
00:28:10,190 --> 00:28:08,039
Burlington Vermont to Worcester

658
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Massachusetts to to do whatever to

659
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investigate with them to learn from them

660
00:28:19,399 --> 00:28:16,440
but I always felt out of place it got so

661
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bad to where they pretty much called me

662
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the resident skeptic because they were

663
00:28:32,060 --> 00:28:29,480
self-proclaimed parapsychologist led the

664
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organization sounds like to get ready to

665
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move to Sedona and they were really

666
00:28:42,889 --> 00:28:40,919
stuck on just investigating ghosts and

667
00:28:47,299 --> 00:28:42,899
haunted now at this time it was long

668
00:28:49,879 --> 00:28:47,309
before taps got that show Ghost Hunters

669
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on Sci Fi so I'm lucky enough in

670
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fortunate

671
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to get into the field before the the big

672
00:28:57,799 --> 00:28:56,009
explosion the big hype if you will but I

673
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don't get me wrong I'm not bashing them

674
00:29:02,210 --> 00:28:59,490
by all means I'm grateful that I learned

675
00:29:05,330 --> 00:29:02,220
their way of investigating the

676
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paranormal if you will but so yeah the

677
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,559
answer the question a it just after a

678
00:29:10,369 --> 00:29:09,360
couple of years of dealing with that

679
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organization

680
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I felt that I've learned enough I had

681
00:29:18,289 --> 00:29:15,840
members here in Vermont that were also

682
00:29:20,090 --> 00:29:18,299
part of that group and we just met and

683
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decided that we're gonna start our own

684
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organization we're gonna do it our way

685
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and and hopefully one day be a household

686
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:29,580
name or internet name on the other well

687
00:29:34,669 --> 00:29:31,289
being popular on the internet I think

688
00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:34,679
makes you a household name it could now

689
00:29:39,109 --> 00:29:35,940
I'm not sure not unless you're Jim

690
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:39,119
Mosely well right Jim mostly does not

691
00:29:41,539 --> 00:29:40,320
believe in the internet but you have a

692
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:41,549
pretty old computer at home we're

693
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:43,919
talking to you on the computer owned by

694
00:29:48,529 --> 00:29:47,279
one of your colleagues yeah Greg love so

695
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we think that you would have gotten a

696
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state-of-the-art computer with which to

697
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find those who jump bail or that's at

698
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the office so it doesn't make it thatis

699
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yes and you know what the Facebook

700
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that's all I can say Facebook is where I

701
00:30:05,499 --> 00:30:02,490
find most of them believe in are are you

702
00:30:08,509 --> 00:30:05,509
serious no that's scared oh yeah yeah

703
00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:08,519
people put well I'm at Battery Park in

704
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Burlington Vermont with the family

705
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things are going great oh never mind

706
00:30:16,570 --> 00:30:14,249
this is so and so's husband

707
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they just got arrested our girlfriend

708
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Wow yeah at the you know the criminal

709
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class and would or the criminally

710
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inclined if you will if they're jumping

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bail would be up to speed at least as

712
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much as the people that are going to be

713
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tracking them down but evidently you

714
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know PT Barnum was right there's a

715
00:30:37,129 --> 00:30:35,399
sucker born every minute you get pulled

716
00:30:41,299 --> 00:30:37,139
into these social sites and boy they

717
00:30:43,399 --> 00:30:41,309
they kind of stain you yeah maybe it's

718
00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:43,409
the air up this way I don't know I I

719
00:30:53,389 --> 00:30:50,989
easier yeah the wife appreciates it I'm

720
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:53,399
not gone for long you just check out

721
00:30:59,359 --> 00:30:56,340
their Twitter profile or their Facebook

722
00:31:01,940 --> 00:30:59,369
profile or now Google+ and you have it

723
00:31:03,289 --> 00:31:01,950
all back that it's probably some idiot

724
00:31:06,940 --> 00:31:03,299
out there going well you won't believe

725
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:09,560
yeah just check Facebook that's all you

726
00:31:14,750 --> 00:31:12,510
have to do well now people know how to

727
00:31:17,630 --> 00:31:14,760
hide from you from the likes of death

728
00:31:19,550 --> 00:31:17,640
don't go on Facebook I tell everyone

729
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,560
that when I capture them don't be that

730
00:31:23,390 --> 00:31:21,360
stupid make it make it a little harder I

731
00:31:25,250 --> 00:31:23,400
like the chase that's why I do what I do

732
00:31:29,420 --> 00:31:25,260
with the paranormal I like the change oh

733
00:31:31,790 --> 00:31:29,430
I like this guy Jean now let's talk

734
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:31,800
about the chase you have an array of

735
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:34,050
equipment and before we talk about the

736
00:31:39,470 --> 00:31:36,810
stuff you do use I see here that you

737
00:31:42,890 --> 00:31:39,480
have a list of stuff that you won't use

738
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:42,900
and I'm gonna ask you why I guess mostly

739
00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:44,610
because they're games they're not real

740
00:31:48,650 --> 00:31:46,710
things so for example of Ouija board a

741
00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:48,660
Ouija board is just a game

742
00:31:53,450 --> 00:31:51,000
why do people take it seriously I wish I

743
00:31:56,270 --> 00:31:53,460
had the answer for that I really do a

744
00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:56,280
Ouija board is a Ouija board it was made

745
00:32:00,740 --> 00:31:58,260
by Parker Brothers and you know what I

746
00:32:03,050 --> 00:32:00,750
don't personally I don't subscribe into

747
00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:03,060
the theory that it's a portal to Hell or

748
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:06,120
it's an invitational device the bring in

749
00:32:09,950 --> 00:32:07,710
spirits now that's just my opinion

750
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:09,960
it's basically an invitation to make

751
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:12,480
Parker Brothers a lot of money that's it

752
00:32:19,580 --> 00:32:16,050
that's all it is to me the people in my

753
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,590
group it could be some kind of portal or

754
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:21,600
whatever are they whatever they think it

755
00:32:26,330 --> 00:32:24,450
is but personally I I don't subscribe no

756
00:32:28,790 --> 00:32:26,340
it's just a board game you're making

757
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:28,800
somebody rich that's it so we assume in

758
00:32:32,810 --> 00:32:30,570
the planchette when it's being moved

759
00:32:35,150 --> 00:32:32,820
across the board it's either someone

760
00:32:37,010 --> 00:32:35,160
deliberately doing it and knowing what

761
00:32:40,010 --> 00:32:37,020
they're doing or doing it subconsciously

762
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:40,020
right or vibrations makes it shake

763
00:32:44,180 --> 00:32:41,490
especially if you're in Southern

764
00:32:45,650 --> 00:32:44,190
California with all the earthquakes they

765
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:45,660
never get our earthquakes in Vermont Oh

766
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,810
or do they not really there are no fault

767
00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:50,640
lines there there is and we've had a

768
00:32:54,890 --> 00:32:53,310
couple just nothing like California and

769
00:32:56,420 --> 00:32:54,900
believe me I went there one time and we

770
00:32:59,150 --> 00:32:56,430
were there during one of the earthquakes

771
00:33:01,220 --> 00:32:59,160
sessions as you will we were up in Loma

772
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,230
Linda and we felt it and believe me

773
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:03,360
that's I'll never go there again

774
00:33:07,820 --> 00:33:05,370
isn't that what Richard Nixon was born

775
00:33:09,050 --> 00:33:07,830
Loma Linda around that area yeah maybe

776
00:33:10,940 --> 00:33:09,060
that explains why you had so much

777
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:10,950
trouble the pendulum

778
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:13,050
I think of pendulum I don't think just

779
00:33:17,540 --> 00:33:15,600
the weight suspended from a string or a

780
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:17,550
chain I think of the movie the pin the

781
00:33:20,690 --> 00:33:17,850
pin

782
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:20,700
with Vincent Price that ages me what's a

783
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:22,890
pendulum is supposed to do supposedly

784
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:25,440
it's supposed to be some sort of device

785
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:27,809
that you can communicate with the

786
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:29,610
spirits with it yes or no maybe

787
00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:31,890
depending on which way the pendulum

788
00:33:35,419 --> 00:33:34,169
swings its supposed to answer your

789
00:33:36,409 --> 00:33:35,429
questions it's another communication

790
00:33:39,890 --> 00:33:36,419
device

791
00:33:42,260 --> 00:33:39,900
supposedly again theory whatever that it

792
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:42,270
can communicate with the dead which I

793
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:44,250
don't necessarily subscribe into again

794
00:33:49,490 --> 00:33:46,799
it's just a piece of rock on the string

795
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:49,500
to me that's just my opinion okay maybe

796
00:33:53,180 --> 00:33:51,450
the people in the afterlife they don't

797
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:53,190
have good verbal skills so they have to

798
00:33:57,860 --> 00:33:54,720
use which Awards and pendulums because

799
00:34:01,399 --> 00:33:57,870
they can't just say I'm here folks make

800
00:34:03,740 --> 00:34:01,409
of that what you will that's right you

801
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:03,750
have to admit though there is a ancient

802
00:34:10,669 --> 00:34:06,570
history of using divinity divination

803
00:34:13,700 --> 00:34:10,679
tools to seek answers in all sorts of

804
00:34:17,570 --> 00:34:13,710
ways for instance if you come out to the

805
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:17,580
part southwest almost every well company

806
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:19,649
has a professional dowser who is very

807
00:34:26,810 --> 00:34:22,290
accurate and they're able to find water

808
00:34:30,770 --> 00:34:26,820
in in a manner which almost defies

809
00:34:32,659 --> 00:34:30,780
scientific rational thinking my mother

810
00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:32,669
was an accomplished dowser and actually

811
00:34:37,099 --> 00:34:34,409
doused my brother's well in the Rocky

812
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:37,109
Mountains about six feet closer than the

813
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:38,730
professional dowser who came in with the

814
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:41,570
with the well company so let's not toss

815
00:34:46,099 --> 00:34:44,730
potential out the window in terms of all

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sorts of tools that we have in our

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reality that we may be able to utilize

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in in you know a predictable way so you

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know we don't want to throw the baby out

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with the bathwater I do Greek when

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you're dealing with people's lives

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there's intense emotional turmoil going

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on perhaps people are freaked out and

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scared to bring out something that kind

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of has a knee-jerk sort of veneer about

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it to be a ghost hunter and going to a

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haunted house and sit down in front of a

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family with a Ouija board that that

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would not wash I think in an

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investigative environment at least in my

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opinion right no I totally agree with

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you Chris don't get me wrong when it

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comes to dowsing for water and I you

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know I may even buy into the theory that

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you could detect some kind of metal with

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maybe I I don't know but not not from a

837
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paranormal stance again like I said you

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know I I'm not necessarily looking for

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ghosts I'm just there to investigate the

840
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claims that they report to me in the

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organization it's that's just who I am

842
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I I gotta go with what I know I wouldn't

843
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completely rule it out if it was under a

844
00:36:00,729 --> 00:35:58,579
I don't know a scientific test if we

845
00:36:02,499 --> 00:36:00,739
just did it for fun sitting around the

846
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house or whatever just playing with that

847
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sure but it like you just said you don't

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want to bring that up to a client you

849
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really don't that's already gonna make

850
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things worse that's that'd be no

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different than bringing a channeler in

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and you know sitting around the table

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and knocking on floorboards and and

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things of that nature I I just

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personally I don't use it as a tool for

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investigation I have to wonder also here

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if you bring a channeler to the house

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and they knock on the floorboards or

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something and they break something are

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they liable criminally for that or

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legally you have to wonder you're the

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bounty hunter you know about that stuff

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you're listening to the podcast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio so I'm

971
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gonna ask Jeff Stewart the paranormal

972
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investigator have you investigated any

973
00:41:28,569 --> 00:41:27,230
cases involving Djinn no I wish I did of

974
00:41:32,529 --> 00:41:28,579
course some of us think of another kind

975
00:41:37,059 --> 00:41:32,539
of Djinn well yeah that spirits in a

976
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bottle sure yeah the name came from

977
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actually but I I think rosemary

978
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potentially has stumbled on a very

979
00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:45,170
interesting cross-cultural correlation

980
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for lack of a better word I done some

981
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investigative work now with her and and

982
00:41:55,509 --> 00:41:52,420
become familiar with with the whole

983
00:41:57,489 --> 00:41:55,519
concept of the Djinn as it relates to

984
00:41:59,559 --> 00:41:57,499
possible manifestations of paranormal

985
00:42:01,690 --> 00:41:59,569
phenomena and in terms of some location

986
00:42:05,799 --> 00:42:01,700
specific cases I really think it

987
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deserves at least know an odd in the

988
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research realm there are certain things

989
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that you can determine from the type of

990
00:42:14,739 --> 00:42:12,619
phenomena that that are being reported

991
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:14,749
that they do ascribe to a Djinn like

992
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entity so well it's not something again

993
00:42:22,210 --> 00:42:18,680
I throw out with the bathwater

994
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:22,220
no I I think it's very fascinating I was

995
00:42:28,269 --> 00:42:25,130
contacted by somebody not too long ago

996
00:42:30,549 --> 00:42:28,279
if I've ever investigated a Djinn and

997
00:42:32,349 --> 00:42:30,559
they they felt they were plagued by one

998
00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:32,359
and it's not here in the States this

999
00:42:38,829 --> 00:42:35,569
person came from I believe Iran it was

1000
00:42:42,940 --> 00:42:38,839
on a message board that I was part of I

1001
00:42:44,769 --> 00:42:42,950
never followed up on it to find out what

1002
00:42:46,029 --> 00:42:44,779
happened but she basically said there

1003
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was nobody that could help her in our

1004
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country so I don't know how she came

1005
00:42:55,539 --> 00:42:52,099
across my name but she contacted me and

1006
00:42:57,609 --> 00:42:55,549
asked if I knew how to deal with them

1007
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:57,619
and and of course as a skeptical person

1008
00:43:02,319 --> 00:43:00,319
I'm like I I really don't there has to

1009
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:02,329
be somebody in your area that deals with

1010
00:43:07,180 --> 00:43:05,599
it one would think another piece of

1011
00:43:09,009 --> 00:43:07,190
equipment you're not going to use is the

1012
00:43:11,890 --> 00:43:09,019
Ghost Box for those of us who are not

1013
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:11,900
expert Ghost Hunters what pray tell is

1014
00:43:16,810 --> 00:43:12,410
it goes

1015
00:43:19,660 --> 00:43:16,820
box oh the infamous ghost box well I'll

1016
00:43:24,250 --> 00:43:19,670
tell you what I believe the ghost boxes

1017
00:43:28,030 --> 00:43:24,260
it is a a.m. or FM frequency radio

1018
00:43:31,540 --> 00:43:28,040
that's just on cycle all it does is run

1019
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:31,550
through the channels and supposedly

1020
00:43:39,070 --> 00:43:34,880
these entities ghosts can pick out the

1021
00:43:42,430 --> 00:43:39,080
words they want from this radio and use

1022
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:42,440
them so at randomly you'll hear like red

1023
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:45,890
you know bunch of static truck you know

1024
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,090
or box or it's a device that again I

1025
00:43:56,860 --> 00:43:52,160
think it's like using a channel or a

1026
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,870
medium that's what I believe I probably

1027
00:44:01,060 --> 00:43:58,640
gonna get a lot of people that I then I

1028
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:01,070
hate me but I just I don't believe in

1029
00:44:06,730 --> 00:44:02,720
the ghost box I don't think it's a tool

1030
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:06,740
that you can use i I really don't it's

1031
00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:11,210
just a device that plays am/fm radio

1032
00:44:17,230 --> 00:44:14,270
frequencies and it picks out words at

1033
00:44:19,090 --> 00:44:17,240
random and besides you think that if

1034
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:19,100
someone was literate in this life they'd

1035
00:44:22,420 --> 00:44:21,200
be literate in that afterlife it would

1036
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:22,430
be so stupid that they have to

1037
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:24,010
communicate with Ouija boards and

1038
00:44:28,810 --> 00:44:26,930
pendulums and have to utter words out of

1039
00:44:32,350 --> 00:44:28,820
sequence incoherently on some kind of

1040
00:44:33,940 --> 00:44:32,360
ghost box right but I'm gonna ask you

1041
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:33,950
about a piece of equipment that is in

1042
00:44:41,980 --> 00:44:36,890
your inventory the phantom vibe what is

1043
00:44:47,260 --> 00:44:41,990
that right now tell you ladies and

1044
00:44:49,110 --> 00:44:47,270
gentlemen the phantom vibe is a little

1045
00:44:52,410 --> 00:44:49,120
device that one of my investigators

1046
00:44:57,070 --> 00:44:52,420
purchased from the website gotta love it

1047
00:44:59,500 --> 00:44:57,080
that picks up vibrations yes

1048
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:59,510
exactly how it sounds vibrations why

1049
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:01,760
because we might be investigating a

1050
00:45:09,850 --> 00:45:06,800
location that might have footsteps

1051
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:09,860
objects moving things that I nature that

1052
00:45:17,260 --> 00:45:14,050
we can't hear or see ourselves but we'll

1053
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:17,270
be able to see it on camera and with

1054
00:45:22,750 --> 00:45:19,520
this device it makes a loud noise and

1055
00:45:24,940 --> 00:45:22,760
it's got little LED lights on the box

1056
00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:24,950
and lets us know that there's movement

1057
00:45:29,370 --> 00:45:25,849
there

1058
00:45:31,870 --> 00:45:29,380
now that's not something that we use as

1059
00:45:34,029 --> 00:45:31,880
quote-unquote evidence for the client

1060
00:45:36,009 --> 00:45:34,039
that's just something that we use as a

1061
00:45:37,390 --> 00:45:36,019
surveillance tool to let us know that

1062
00:45:40,299 --> 00:45:37,400
there's some kind of movement there

1063
00:45:41,439 --> 00:45:40,309
because like anything else it can be you

1064
00:45:43,779 --> 00:45:41,449
know trickery

1065
00:45:46,479 --> 00:45:43,789
it could be somebody in the next room

1066
00:45:49,630 --> 00:45:46,489
movin this meter could go off now that's

1067
00:45:52,029 --> 00:45:49,640
it was a point of view here do a lot of

1068
00:45:56,859 --> 00:45:52,039
people try to fool you with tricks and

1069
00:46:01,209 --> 00:45:56,869
scams and dowsing rods and such only

1070
00:46:05,279 --> 00:46:01,219
once only once we had an individual that

1071
00:46:07,779 --> 00:46:05,289
was a huge fan of the show on sci-fi and

1072
00:46:09,849 --> 00:46:07,789
they really want us to come down they

1073
00:46:13,319 --> 00:46:09,859
let us know that there was this visible

1074
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:13,329
portal and their kitchen were able to

1075
00:46:17,439 --> 00:46:15,650
see it with our own eyes we can come

1076
00:46:18,009 --> 00:46:17,449
down we don't need equipment and bla bla

1077
00:46:20,289 --> 00:46:18,019
bla

1078
00:46:24,789 --> 00:46:20,299
and they tried every trick in the book

1079
00:46:28,329 --> 00:46:24,799
from whispering during the EVP sessions

1080
00:46:31,209 --> 00:46:28,339
that we used to attempt to moving

1081
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:31,219
objects with their their feet I mean

1082
00:46:37,930 --> 00:46:33,410
these people at the time had just as

1083
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:37,940
much equipment as we do sounds like

1084
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:39,410
they're smart people who stayed the

1085
00:46:43,689 --> 00:46:41,209
field without spending an entire episode

1086
00:46:45,339 --> 00:46:43,699
about your utility belt over there at

1087
00:46:47,949 --> 00:46:45,349
the paranormal investigators of New

1088
00:46:50,410 --> 00:46:47,959
England let's briefly cover some of the

1089
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:50,420
other stuff you're using and I'm going

1090
00:46:55,479 --> 00:46:53,359
to name them just give us like a very

1091
00:47:00,599 --> 00:46:55,489
short description we'll go rapid-fire

1092
00:47:04,029 --> 00:47:00,609
through them lore X 16 channel wired DVR

1093
00:47:06,130 --> 00:47:04,039
just as it sounds it's a digital video

1094
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:06,140
recorder it's meant for surveillance

1095
00:47:12,459 --> 00:47:09,890
purposes okay so it's a DVR system it's

1096
00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:12,469
exactly like it sounds it's basically

1097
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:16,329
just meant for surveillance purposes we

1098
00:47:22,289 --> 00:47:19,249
hope like everyone else that we can

1099
00:47:24,430 --> 00:47:22,299
capture you know ghost phenomenon

1100
00:47:26,130 --> 00:47:24,440
extraterrestrial or kakuzu logical

1101
00:47:30,189 --> 00:47:26,140
depending on what we're using it for

1102
00:47:33,819 --> 00:47:30,199
that would be the proverbial Holy Grail

1103
00:47:37,809 --> 00:47:33,829
if you will but it's mostly used for

1104
00:47:39,310 --> 00:47:37,819
safety reasons security reasons if

1105
00:47:41,350 --> 00:47:39,320
something happens

1106
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:41,360
we can't quite explain in another room

1107
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:43,970
and we got the cameras there to record

1108
00:47:49,420 --> 00:47:46,850
whatever is going on we can say well

1109
00:47:52,660 --> 00:47:49,430
nobody was in the room when Sally's doll

1110
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:52,670
decided levitate and fly across the room

1111
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:55,010
so the 16-channel part of it means that

1112
00:47:59,830 --> 00:47:56,810
you you have 16 inputs so you can have

1113
00:48:02,860 --> 00:47:59,840
16 surveillance sources up absolutely

1114
00:48:05,260 --> 00:48:02,870
infrared indoor/outdoor state-of-the-art

1115
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:05,270
cameras it's probably the best system to

1116
00:48:10,510 --> 00:48:07,610
get if you're in gold what what kind of

1117
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:10,520
cameras are the isn't do you use in your

1118
00:48:16,990 --> 00:48:13,510
system that the ones that come with them

1119
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:17,000
okay all right gene let's move on sounds

1120
00:48:23,950 --> 00:48:18,650
like an interesting let's go to the next

1121
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:23,960
one mal mal eight seven zero for our pro

1122
00:48:27,970 --> 00:48:25,970
navigator don't you love it how these

1123
00:48:30,670 --> 00:48:27,980
these companies come up with the most na

1124
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:30,680
names for their products what's this for

1125
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:34,160
the Mel meter as most people call it is

1126
00:48:40,210 --> 00:48:36,410
an EMF meter electromagnetic field

1127
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:40,220
detector and this particular device has

1128
00:48:45,790 --> 00:48:42,410
got all the bells and whistles on it the

1129
00:48:48,580 --> 00:48:45,800
individual that purchased this really

1130
00:48:51,870 --> 00:48:48,590
went for it he totally loves and

1131
00:48:55,690 --> 00:48:51,880
supports I've got the original EMF meter

1132
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:55,700
that they developed the company did it's

1133
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:57,410
basically just to detect electromagnetic

1134
00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:01,760
fields thermal coop is on it so you can

1135
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:05,710
detect ambient temperature and

1136
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:08,240
apparently his device he's got a nifty

1137
00:49:18,070 --> 00:49:13,130
little flashlight that's on it and it

1138
00:49:21,580 --> 00:49:18,080
also has a set of LED lights on the top

1139
00:49:23,380 --> 00:49:21,590
that when the EMF field

1140
00:49:24,580 --> 00:49:23,390
well dependent on the EMF field if it's

1141
00:49:27,130 --> 00:49:24,590
strong enough these lights will

1142
00:49:28,410 --> 00:49:27,140
literally light up and let you know the

1143
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:28,420
levels by the color

1144
00:49:34,990 --> 00:49:31,370
sounds like a fun device and you've had

1145
00:49:36,370 --> 00:49:35,000
this go off as they say yes but you know

1146
00:49:38,260 --> 00:49:36,380
I should probably explain if you don't

1147
00:49:41,050 --> 00:49:38,270
mind real quick that we don't use the

1148
00:49:44,070 --> 00:49:41,060
EMF meter as a ghost detector like a lot

1149
00:49:47,830 --> 00:49:44,080
of people do we just want to go in and

1150
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:47,840
eliminate the possibility that high EMF

1151
00:49:52,780 --> 00:49:50,480
is in the facility that we're at it's

1152
00:49:54,970 --> 00:49:52,790
more of a safety issue and help

1153
00:49:59,140 --> 00:49:54,980
ooh than anything I personally subscribe

1154
00:50:04,120 --> 00:49:59,150
into the theory that EMF can really harm

1155
00:50:05,740 --> 00:50:04,130
you cause hallucinations dementia you

1156
00:50:07,690 --> 00:50:05,750
know it's just really really bad stuff

1157
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:07,700
which we all we all know we all know it

1158
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:10,130
can be so we want to make sure that that

1159
00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:12,170
stuff's not on the property that's first

1160
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:15,110
and foremost most investigators at least

1161
00:50:19,690 --> 00:50:16,880
how I trained them is to look for the

1162
00:50:21,250 --> 00:50:19,700
differentials in EMF feel because if

1163
00:50:23,260 --> 00:50:21,260
there is something that's causing a

1164
00:50:25,900 --> 00:50:23,270
disturbance in the EMF field we want to

1165
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:25,910
kind of zero in on that to find out

1166
00:50:31,180 --> 00:50:28,850
exactly what's going on we look for a

1167
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:31,190
baseline when we first go into a place

1168
00:50:36,490 --> 00:50:33,760
to find out what the levels that either

1169
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:36,500
crack hopefully most places are zero

1170
00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:40,160
zero point zero is usually the baseline

1171
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:41,510
wherever you're going but there have

1172
00:50:46,180 --> 00:50:43,490
been places where we you know walked in

1173
00:50:49,650 --> 00:50:46,190
done a you know walk through and and the

1174
00:50:52,750 --> 00:50:49,660
level will be at like a 1.5 or a 2.0 and

1175
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:52,760
you know traditionally people with our

1176
00:50:57,550 --> 00:50:53,930
investigators I'm sorry

1177
00:50:59,440 --> 00:50:57,560
or ago centers would look for spikes EMF

1178
00:51:04,090 --> 00:50:59,450
spikes as they call them that's when

1179
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:04,100
they get high volumes of EMF and again

1180
00:51:10,210 --> 00:51:07,850
it's a theory they believe that that's

1181
00:51:13,090 --> 00:51:10,220
an entity trying to manifest trying to

1182
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:13,100
suck the energy out of the the the air

1183
00:51:19,060 --> 00:51:17,210
and create or manifest themselves so

1184
00:51:21,550 --> 00:51:19,070
it's part of the process sounds like

1185
00:51:24,010 --> 00:51:21,560
good science gene is more on that kick

1186
00:51:25,590 --> 00:51:24,020
that we'll go into in the next segment

1187
00:51:28,090 --> 00:51:25,600
but we're gonna ask why a Geiger counter

1188
00:51:37,310 --> 00:51:28,100
we have Jeff Stewart joining gene and

1189
00:51:41,279 --> 00:51:39,059
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1209
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1210
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1211
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1212
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1213
00:52:33,519 --> 00:52:31,880
stating a central bank issuing the

1214
00:52:34,660 --> 00:52:33,529
public currency is a greater menace to

1215
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:34,670
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1216
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1217
00:52:39,579 --> 00:52:37,579
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1218
00:52:42,849 --> 00:52:39,589
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1219
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1221
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[Music]

1222
00:53:03,320 --> 00:52:59,020
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1223
00:53:08,310 --> 00:53:03,330
standard of paranormal radio and now

1224
00:53:10,620 --> 00:53:08,320
here's Jane Steinberg and we have Jeff

1225
00:53:13,110 --> 00:53:10,630
Stewart joining Jean and Chris he's

1226
00:53:15,390 --> 00:53:13,120
associated with paranormal investigators

1227
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:15,400
of New England they had a very extensive

1228
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:18,160
array in their tool belt and it's a

1229
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:19,510
pretty big tool belt with all this

1230
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:21,370
equipment for investigating paranormal

1231
00:53:27,150 --> 00:53:23,370
claims so we'll get past the EMF

1232
00:53:27,780 --> 00:53:27,160
products and let's look at a Geiger

1233
00:53:31,890 --> 00:53:27,790
counter

1234
00:53:34,740 --> 00:53:31,900
so our ghost radioactive no actually the

1235
00:53:37,410 --> 00:53:34,750
Geiger counter is what we use for UF

1236
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:37,420
ology related investigation gotta

1237
00:53:41,970 --> 00:53:39,730
protect ourselves DT might be

1238
00:53:46,020 --> 00:53:41,980
radioactive just says never don't land

1239
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:46,030
him yeah Betty cash had one maybe she

1240
00:53:51,390 --> 00:53:46,810
would live longer

1241
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:51,400
maybe that seat that's I guess you have

1242
00:53:56,190 --> 00:53:52,330
to be prepared

1243
00:53:58,440 --> 00:53:56,200
you really don't know I I without a

1244
00:54:01,020 --> 00:53:58,450
doubt believe in the existence of

1245
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:01,030
extraterrestrials I really do i I don't

1246
00:54:05,550 --> 00:54:03,760
have any doubts whatsoever now what they

1247
00:54:08,010 --> 00:54:05,560
are where they are where they come from

1248
00:54:11,130 --> 00:54:08,020
I don't know whether they're visiting us

1249
00:54:16,350 --> 00:54:11,140
right right you're looking for the

1250
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:16,360
humpback whale that's a Star Trek

1251
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:18,970
reference by the way you're the Trekkie

1252
00:54:25,950 --> 00:54:20,800
among the three of us at least Jane

1253
00:54:27,630 --> 00:54:25,960
there I thought that was one of the best

1254
00:54:30,210 --> 00:54:27,640
Star Trek movies that was directed by

1255
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:30,220
Leonard Nimoy by the way you know he was

1256
00:54:34,410 --> 00:54:32,770
a pretty decent director anyway okay so

1257
00:54:36,090 --> 00:54:34,420
we have to have the Geiger counter here

1258
00:54:38,610 --> 00:54:36,100
for checking radiation in connection

1259
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:38,620
with UFO sightings a hi-8 Video

1260
00:54:43,470 --> 00:54:40,960
camcorder now when I look at this I say

1261
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:43,480
hi eight that's kinda a retro what about

1262
00:54:48,030 --> 00:54:46,480
the catalog Jean it's oh it's that the

1263
00:54:50,250 --> 00:54:48,040
point the point that has to be analog

1264
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:50,260
what about a digital camera they got one

1265
00:54:55,860 --> 00:54:53,200
of those too I'm sure yes no absolutely

1266
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:55,870
no this sounds like good science you

1267
00:54:58,680 --> 00:54:57,010
know I really like the way that you're

1268
00:55:01,710 --> 00:54:58,690
approaching this getting control levels

1269
00:55:04,410 --> 00:55:01,720
outside you know establishing some sort

1270
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:04,420
of baseline data then going in sounds no

1271
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:06,370
scientific like the way it should be

1272
00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:08,079
done

1273
00:55:12,660 --> 00:55:09,849
one of the criticisms that we had made

1274
00:55:14,339 --> 00:55:12,670
in some past episodes of the power cast

1275
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:14,349
was the fact that some so called ghost

1276
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:16,690
hunters we say so called because I think

1277
00:55:20,309 --> 00:55:18,160
some of them take it as seriously as

1278
00:55:22,049 --> 00:55:20,319
others had equipment that was really

1279
00:55:24,420 --> 00:55:22,059
subpar but you've got a digital voice

1280
00:55:27,420 --> 00:55:24,430
recorder but some ghost hunters say it

1281
00:55:30,059 --> 00:55:27,430
must be analog what do you think I think

1282
00:55:34,019 --> 00:55:30,069
you need both and I do I have all types

1283
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:34,029
I still use a cassette recorder believe

1284
00:55:40,170 --> 00:55:36,729
it or not I believe that if we're gonna

1285
00:55:42,420 --> 00:55:40,180
look for voices of the Dead EVP I still

1286
00:55:43,140 --> 00:55:42,430
subscribe into the magnetic tape theory

1287
00:55:46,170 --> 00:55:43,150
I do

1288
00:55:48,749 --> 00:55:46,180
or possibly again but what do you mean

1289
00:55:50,819 --> 00:55:48,759
right magnetic tape theory well I'm not

1290
00:55:53,969 --> 00:55:50,829
sure if you know that the difference

1291
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:53,979
between using digital and analog is some

1292
00:55:58,769 --> 00:55:55,930
people believe that what we're hearing

1293
00:56:02,400 --> 00:55:58,779
is you know voices of the Dead whatever

1294
00:56:05,959 --> 00:56:02,410
it is that the magnetic tape can attract

1295
00:56:10,769 --> 00:56:05,969
these voices and capture it kind of like

1296
00:56:11,309 --> 00:56:10,779
you know time on time on earth yeah but

1297
00:56:14,910 --> 00:56:11,319
wait a minute

1298
00:56:16,799 --> 00:56:14,920
most hear your EVP at least the Class A

1299
00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:16,809
EVPs that I've gathered and others have

1300
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:18,609
gathered that I've worked with have

1301
00:56:22,259 --> 00:56:20,609
almost been exclusively digital

1302
00:56:26,609 --> 00:56:22,269
privately not me

1303
00:56:29,309 --> 00:56:26,619
I have more success with with analog

1304
00:56:32,299 --> 00:56:29,319
leave analog and I would digital is that

1305
00:56:35,099 --> 00:56:32,309
because analog has a different set of

1306
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:35,109
distortion components in terms of the

1307
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:37,839
signal well it's an analog of what

1308
00:56:42,749 --> 00:56:41,200
you're hearing it's not a re-creation of

1309
00:56:45,890 --> 00:56:42,759
it in other words you're dealing with

1310
00:56:48,509 --> 00:56:45,900
pure pure waveforms as opposed to

1311
00:56:50,370 --> 00:56:48,519
staircase sort of approximate waveforms

1312
00:56:52,829 --> 00:56:50,380
and with like digitizing something you

1313
00:56:54,660 --> 00:56:52,839
are guessing you're approximating right

1314
00:56:57,029 --> 00:56:54,670
or you're guessing with sophisticated

1315
00:56:59,039 --> 00:56:57,039
algorithms you're guessing what you're

1316
00:57:00,839 --> 00:56:59,049
hearing but then maybe things that you

1317
00:57:02,729 --> 00:57:00,849
can't guess because the scientists

1318
00:57:04,739 --> 00:57:02,739
involved in creating those algorithms

1319
00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:04,749
don't know about them well I made a

1320
00:57:11,789 --> 00:57:06,609
logical explanation here but I have no

1321
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:11,799
idea what I just said kind of makes

1322
00:57:16,109 --> 00:57:14,170
sense an analog that's that's why old

1323
00:57:17,530 --> 00:57:16,119
analog jazz recordings you know you'll

1324
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:17,540
never get that rich

1325
00:57:23,050 --> 00:57:20,450
davin and warmth and and full you know

1326
00:57:24,730 --> 00:57:23,060
just full ranging in the warmth of the

1327
00:57:26,740 --> 00:57:24,740
original sound you're never gonna

1328
00:57:29,110 --> 00:57:26,750
recreate that digitally unless you get

1329
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:29,120
your sampling rates far above where they

1330
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:32,450
are now well they are at 196 K and the

1331
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:34,130
more sophisticated recording but some

1332
00:57:39,460 --> 00:57:37,130
people you say that the analog effect is

1333
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:39,470
itself a distortion component

1334
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:41,930
it sounds warmer because of the way that

1335
00:57:45,010 --> 00:57:43,730
it manipulates there's a coarse sound it

1336
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:45,020
doesn't matter what you like you like a

1337
00:57:50,260 --> 00:57:47,330
motion sensor digital camera is I assume

1338
00:57:52,570 --> 00:57:50,270
based on sensing some kind of movement

1339
00:57:54,460 --> 00:57:52,580
how about infrared motion detectors same

1340
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:54,470
thing like you use with burglar alarms

1341
00:58:00,070 --> 00:57:56,210
or what yep exactly

1342
00:58:02,230 --> 00:58:00,080
just like the phantom vibe we set those

1343
00:58:04,690 --> 00:58:02,240
up with the phantom vibes so you know

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that's something moves then we'll be

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00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:07,210
able to tune in on it basically it's uh

1346
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:09,850
again it's used for multiple purposes

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00:58:15,850 --> 00:58:12,770
security reasons as well as paranormal

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00:58:18,340 --> 00:58:15,860
reasons sound level meter fairly obvious

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00:58:20,110 --> 00:58:18,350
yep I believe you need one if you're

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recording or your attempt in the record

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00:58:24,430 --> 00:58:22,760
electronic voice phenomenon I really do

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00:58:26,380 --> 00:58:24,440
I think that's definitely something you

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need for sure you have a three-in-one

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device here to check barometer

1355
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:30,380
temperature humidity you want to check

1356
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:32,090
the weather conditions in the area where

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00:58:37,210 --> 00:58:34,010
the activity is occurring that is

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00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:37,220
correct as well as mostly used for us

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Paula G related investigation and we

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have a dog it's agreeing with you

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yeah very tentative very I'm gonna ask

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00:58:46,990 --> 00:58:45,410
you about animals in a moment but just

1363
00:58:48,550 --> 00:58:47,000
looking at these things do you find

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where you go to a place where it's had

1365
00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:51,140
some recent UFO activity that the

1366
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temperature readings radiation readings

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00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:55,520
go off the scale they're different than

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what you'd normally expect I'm gonna

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00:59:03,370 --> 00:59:00,110
have to say from my experiences no

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usually they're pretty much the same we

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do use infrared non-contact they're

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thermo meters as well as the ambient

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ones because you usually get people

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saying I just saw you know a you know

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00:59:17,410 --> 00:59:14,840
Spectre go spirit go through a wall

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right there and now there's a cold spot

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here so we need that type of device to

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say okay well we'll check the

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temperature so I used that and apply

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00:59:28,060 --> 00:59:25,850
that and never seen a dramatic

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difference I'm like well I guess

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temperature for the entities are

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well our ghostly as well because it

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wasn't showing up on my measuring

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devices mini DVD cameras it's an

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off-the-shelf finger what yeah yep

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another normal everyday use piece of

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00:59:46,940 --> 00:59:44,820
equipment that we use for exactly what

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00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:46,950
it's meant to be and a laser great

1390
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what's that used for oh that's a fun

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little toy that's along the lines of the

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non-contact sensors as well as the

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phantom vibe it's a device that you set

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up put it up in a room preferably

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isolated reported quote-on-quote haunted

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location room you set that up

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and supposedly spirits entities can

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manipulate this Laser grid and show you

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a you know outline of a figure so

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basically you're distorting it or the

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01:00:25,310 --> 01:00:23,010
entities distort in it and that's just a

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01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:25,320
theory that is just a piece of equipment

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that one of my investigators uses it's

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not again it's not something that we

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would really consider evidence or use as

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evidence have you ever had that thing go

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01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,990
off no actually we just purchased that

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not too long ago and it hasn't been on

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01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:41,730
many investigation so I'm excited I'd be

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01:00:45,980 --> 01:00:44,400
pretty thrilled to see something distort

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that I I think it'd be kind of

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fascinating to find out what causes it

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01:00:53,180 --> 01:00:50,940
if it's a natural explanation or a

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01:00:55,370 --> 01:00:53,190
supernatural now one thing here at

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01:00:57,590 --> 01:00:55,380
assembling this array of equipment that

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01:01:02,420 --> 01:00:57,600
you consult other ghost hunters or that

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01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:02,430
you just kind of wing it experience

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trial and error that's what we're about

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like I said I've been doing it for a

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while and this is a piece of equipment

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that when someone buys I'm like okay you

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saw that on TV you're convinced that it

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works now go research it before you use

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it I'm not talking about the guide that

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you know amateur ghost hunters put out

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or other groups put out I mean the

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company that made it Texas Instruments

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well go to their website download the

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catalog and read through it because if

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you're going to use it you're going to

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use it for its purpose was meant or more

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or less and Texas Instruments we don't

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think of a paranormal research

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organization in connection with Texas

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Instruments it's a legitimate

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corporation it makes legitimate products

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that are even used on components made by

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Apple you don't have an iphone there to

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take digital picture

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and high-definition videos that we have

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to talk to you about that later all

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right now

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how many investigators do you have who

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do this work for you currently we have

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six members in the group and they're all

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active investigators so we're talking

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about weekend warriors they go out at

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night someone calls them at 3:00 a.m.

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the mysterious 3:00 a.m. phone call

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saying the ghost is here now get over

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Indrid cold yes injured colds callin

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yeah basically you're right that's

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pretty much it just weekend warriors

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looking to help people in need and

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fascinations with our own obsessions for

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whatever it may be

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whether it's individuals that have

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experienced demonic activity ghosts and

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hauntings occult powers at work whatever

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my members of experience they're the

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about how they put together their ghost

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hunters toolkit through trial and error

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using a lot of off-the-shelf equipment

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and trying to find different ways of

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investigating paranormal occurrences and

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not just ghosts but UFOs things like

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that do you ever see crop circles up

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there I know I'd love to though I've

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done some amateur research on crop

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circle someone else has to yeah

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apparently that but no thing that you

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touched on before gene the roll of

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animals in investigations one of the

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things that I found actually very

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effective in my work out in the field

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with the cattle mutilation phenomenon

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for instance is to introduce a dog into

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the field first before any humans go in

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there I also know somebody that has a

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parrot with a limited vocabulary that's

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brought on to haunted sites and all of a

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sudden it has quite an expanded

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vocabulary so where do you come down on

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the use of animals as detection

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equipment if you will or fellow

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investigators in the case of Kato my

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brothers Pyrenees

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you know I

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I find it interesting I personally don't

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use animals for paranormal detection or

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investigation I am i oh I'm definitely

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open to it I think if we had a member in

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01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:36,429
the group or even a client that claims

1610
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:39,730
that their animal can detect spirits I'm

1611
01:08:44,729 --> 01:08:42,250
definitely open to try it at least once

1612
01:08:47,519 --> 01:08:44,739
or twice just just you know just to see

1613
01:08:50,189 --> 01:08:47,529
if it works or not but my own personal

1614
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:50,199
opinion I guess I have to see with my

1615
01:08:55,950 --> 01:08:53,890
own eyes to buy into it as far as Cato

1616
01:08:58,289 --> 01:08:55,960
went boy he showed us exactly where all

1617
01:08:59,820 --> 01:08:58,299
if any coyotes had been there where

1618
01:09:03,030 --> 01:08:59,830
they'd been there and where they'd peed

1619
01:09:06,349 --> 01:09:03,040
them on bushes and stuff so in that case

1620
01:09:09,900 --> 01:09:06,359
we know Cato was was establishing

1621
01:09:11,970 --> 01:09:09,910
verifiable facts about the scene because

1622
01:09:14,249 --> 01:09:11,980
of course we go to these spots and we'd

1623
01:09:16,970 --> 01:09:14,259
we'd find tracks if there were any and

1624
01:09:19,140 --> 01:09:16,980
and it was a pretty foolproof way to

1625
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:19,150
determine immediately if coyotes had

1626
01:09:23,550 --> 01:09:21,130
been involved now this is a little bit

1627
01:09:25,380 --> 01:09:23,560
off and out of your realm in terms of

1628
01:09:28,410 --> 01:09:25,390
your investigative work but it's

1629
01:09:30,169 --> 01:09:28,420
something I would you know if someone

1630
01:09:34,349 --> 01:09:30,179
did have an animal that seemed to be

1631
01:09:36,510 --> 01:09:34,359
possibly extra sensitive to any sort of

1632
01:09:38,999 --> 01:09:36,520
energies that potentially we aren't

1633
01:09:41,220 --> 01:09:39,009
aware of that it could be a real

1634
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:41,230
advantageous investigative tool to have

1635
01:09:45,539 --> 01:09:43,120
some some an animal like that around so

1636
01:09:48,209 --> 01:09:45,549
yeah it's something that I urge any

1637
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:48,219
listener out there who has an animal

1638
01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:50,880
that seems to have some you know extra

1639
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,440
sensitivities maybe get involved in an

1640
01:09:57,780 --> 01:09:55,600
investigative arena and and test it out

1641
01:10:00,540 --> 01:09:57,790
I think this is a this should be an

1642
01:10:02,669 --> 01:10:00,550
emerging tool in the tool bag least

1643
01:10:05,209 --> 01:10:02,679
that's my opinion well heck they reuse

1644
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:05,219
animals to check information about

1645
01:10:11,939 --> 01:10:09,600
corpses about drugs maybe they find

1646
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:11,949
what's the effect for a blood hand it's

1647
01:10:15,870 --> 01:10:13,570
over 100 miles I think there was another

1648
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:15,880
bloodhound that was able to track but I

1649
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,130
forget the amount of miles but someone

1650
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:20,320
that was in a car well if the bloodhound

1651
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:22,210
sees me they start limbering and go the

1652
01:10:26,510 --> 01:10:24,090
other direction

1653
01:10:30,530 --> 01:10:26,520
I'm not the pack leader it doesn't work

1654
01:10:31,670 --> 01:10:30,540
that way let's go to a brief question

1655
01:10:33,290 --> 01:10:31,680
which is kind of relevant to your

1656
01:10:33,860 --> 01:10:33,300
toolkit from one of the members our

1657
01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:33,870
forum

1658
01:10:38,300 --> 01:10:36,510
his name is Angelo by the way and you've

1659
01:10:40,430 --> 01:10:38,310
seen his stuff in the forum he's kind of

1660
01:10:43,190 --> 01:10:40,440
a sceptical type he's a moderator he

1661
01:10:45,740 --> 01:10:43,200
calls himself sceptical moderator and

1662
01:10:47,390 --> 01:10:45,750
here's what Angelo says he says I see

1663
01:10:49,490 --> 01:10:47,400
that a lot of high-tech equipment is

1664
01:10:52,250 --> 01:10:49,500
used in your investigations have you

1665
01:10:53,900 --> 01:10:52,260
caught any apparitions on camera with so

1666
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:53,910
much equipment and video surveillance

1667
01:10:58,940 --> 01:10:56,880
why do we still have nothing that even

1668
01:11:01,610 --> 01:10:58,950
comes close to proving the existence of

1669
01:11:04,220 --> 01:11:01,620
ghosts a raw file image would go a long

1670
01:11:06,410 --> 01:11:04,230
way and he has one other comment also I

1671
01:11:08,990 --> 01:11:06,420
like how you listed what you don't use I

1672
01:11:10,940 --> 01:11:09,000
must say it adds to your credibility

1673
01:11:13,010 --> 01:11:10,950
since what's listed there is pretty much

1674
01:11:14,810 --> 01:11:13,020
garbage so what's your response to

1675
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:14,820
Angelo's question thank you

1676
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:17,850
that's first you know he's right and

1677
01:11:22,940 --> 01:11:20,130
like I said I'm not out to prove ghosts

1678
01:11:27,650 --> 01:11:22,950
exist I'm really not I'm just an

1679
01:11:29,450 --> 01:11:27,660
investigator I if I was out to prove

1680
01:11:30,650 --> 01:11:29,460
that ghosts exist

1681
01:11:34,130 --> 01:11:30,660
I probably want to be using the

1682
01:11:37,550 --> 01:11:34,140
equipment we have I probably would go to

1683
01:11:39,230 --> 01:11:37,560
the the pendulum users the dowsers the

1684
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:39,240
mediums you know because at that point

1685
01:11:42,620 --> 01:11:41,040
you're getting into the spiritual and if

1686
01:11:44,780 --> 01:11:42,630
that's what you're looking for then my

1687
01:11:47,420 --> 01:11:44,790
guess is you need the spiritual tools to

1688
01:11:49,730 --> 01:11:47,430
detect the spirits if you will

1689
01:11:51,980 --> 01:11:49,740
I just don't think our equipment is

1690
01:11:53,930 --> 01:11:51,990
going to be able to detect that stuff at

1691
01:11:57,710 --> 01:11:53,940
least not now in our lifetime if they

1692
01:11:58,460 --> 01:11:57,720
exist is that complicated that makes

1693
01:12:01,130 --> 01:11:58,470
sense to me

1694
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:01,140
pretty cut-and-dried I'm gonna answer

1695
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:02,970
you guys some dowsing go that's put it

1696
01:12:05,780 --> 01:12:04,410
that way you might find water but you're

1697
01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:05,790
not gonna find a ghost with a willow

1698
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:08,490
willow branch you got it there's a

1699
01:12:12,740 --> 01:12:10,410
related question from son of a skunk who

1700
01:12:14,900 --> 01:12:12,750
calls himself skilled investigator I'm

1701
01:12:17,450 --> 01:12:14,910
sorry but I have a huge problem with

1702
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:17,460
EVPs judging from what I have seen on

1703
01:12:21,740 --> 01:12:19,650
the various TV shows it appears as

1704
01:12:23,810 --> 01:12:21,750
though one could easily interpret just

1705
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:23,820
about anything from these static noises

1706
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:26,400
I've yet to hear what I consider to be

1707
01:12:32,810 --> 01:12:29,970
crisp clear indisputable recording of

1708
01:12:35,540 --> 01:12:32,820
someone on the other side speaking have

1709
01:12:39,630 --> 01:12:35,550
you convinced me

1710
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:39,640
well I yeah I don't need to convince

1711
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:42,130
anyone first off not being rude I

1712
01:12:45,450 --> 01:12:44,560
totally respect the question and and

1713
01:12:48,210 --> 01:12:45,460
he's right

1714
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:48,220
for the most part EVPs out there most of

1715
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:50,770
them are just you know garbage but I

1716
01:12:55,950 --> 01:12:52,690
there are some gentlemen's I've got

1717
01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:55,960
spirit yes yeah there are class A's out

1718
01:13:03,660 --> 01:12:58,960
there what's a Class A by the way okay a

1719
01:13:05,660 --> 01:13:03,670
Class A is a clear response that is you

1720
01:13:09,690 --> 01:13:05,670
know us what's your name and you get

1721
01:13:12,270 --> 01:13:09,700
Mike or Bob or you know what's your

1722
01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:12,280
favorite kind of TV show all the

1723
01:13:20,220 --> 01:13:15,040
Simpsons that's a clear crystal clear

1724
01:13:23,540 --> 01:13:20,230
class-a EVP I've heard those I wasn't

1725
01:13:27,150 --> 01:13:23,550
there to capture them I did have a

1726
01:13:28,350 --> 01:13:27,160
class-a EVP that I'm still desperately

1727
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:28,360
trying to get from the former

1728
01:13:32,820 --> 01:13:30,970
organization that didn't answer my

1729
01:13:35,700 --> 01:13:32,830
question directly but it was pretty

1730
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:35,710
close it was impressive to say the least

1731
01:13:42,210 --> 01:13:38,320
specially coming from a skeptic point of

1732
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:42,220
view here in that response really okay

1733
01:13:47,010 --> 01:13:43,930
somebody's playing with me

1734
01:13:49,620 --> 01:13:47,020
you know or I just got you know a

1735
01:13:51,930 --> 01:13:49,630
response from the other side as I

1736
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:51,940
mentioned on a previous episode when Ron

1737
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:54,730
James came he and I produced a document

1738
01:14:00,030 --> 01:13:57,520
called dead whisper we got a answer to a

1739
01:14:03,060 --> 01:14:00,040
question a fraction of a second before

1740
01:14:06,210 --> 01:14:03,070
the question was even asked oh really

1741
01:14:07,830 --> 01:14:06,220
good one I like that I like the

1742
01:14:09,810 --> 01:14:07,840
time-dilation ones there they're the

1743
01:14:12,030 --> 01:14:09,820
ones that really make you think they do

1744
01:14:13,860 --> 01:14:12,040
and because you have to kind of like

1745
01:14:17,310 --> 01:14:13,870
alright is somebody playing around with

1746
01:14:18,860 --> 01:14:17,320
me or you know or what and and I guess

1747
01:14:22,050 --> 01:14:18,870
that's kind of what we're out there for

1748
01:14:24,930 --> 01:14:22,060
to find out what is it there are these

1749
01:14:26,940 --> 01:14:24,940
you know spirits of deceased ones are

1750
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:26,950
these time travelers interdimensional

1751
01:14:32,730 --> 01:14:29,890
beings extraterrestrials posing as

1752
01:14:35,670 --> 01:14:32,740
ghosts what are they tricksters aren't

1753
01:14:37,380 --> 01:14:35,680
registers absolutely it could be gene I

1754
01:14:39,060 --> 01:14:37,390
said the word again alright we have to

1755
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:39,070
do a trickster laugh everybody's been

1756
01:14:44,490 --> 01:14:41,370
you haven't done in a while

1757
01:14:46,170 --> 01:14:44,500
rewind the digital tape every winding is

1758
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:46,180
going to happen Chris we want to hear a

1759
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:48,850
trickster laugh they're gonna dig in a

1760
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:49,210
dog

1761
01:14:54,450 --> 01:14:52,210
we've got to do it man your audience

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wants to know your friends your fans

1763
01:14:58,680 --> 01:14:56,739
yeah it's all tricky I don't care what

1764
01:15:01,290 --> 01:14:58,690
anybody says and something going on that

1765
01:15:03,630 --> 01:15:01,300
has our sense of humor at mine well

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01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:03,640
maybe your sense of humor but some

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people think I have no sense of humor or

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any sense as a matter of fact Oh

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01:15:12,540 --> 01:15:10,300
I'll second that see you see that's how

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Chris and I get along who knows you know

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where the deepest knows where the

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deepest cut is and he just digs in he

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says how he tells no all I have to do is

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agree with Eugene you just do all the

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[Music]

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hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

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listening to the Peres cast

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01:20:05,130 --> 01:20:03,010
[Music]

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01:20:08,670 --> 01:20:05,140
and with gene and Chris we're being

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joined by Jeff Stewart ghost hunter

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01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:13,180
bounty hunter Hunter hunter okay another

1895
01:20:18,030 --> 01:20:15,850
comment from Angelo in our forums I just

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01:20:20,670 --> 01:20:18,040
want to add my favorite words of wisdom

1897
01:20:24,450 --> 01:20:20,680
about haunted houses how do you know if

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01:20:26,700 --> 01:20:24,460
a house is haunted it's not he says what

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01:20:29,070 --> 01:20:26,710
do you say I don't know how to reply to

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that I

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01:20:34,340 --> 01:20:32,680
I can only say is this guy he needs to

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01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:34,350
be vice-president or something because

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01:20:37,650 --> 01:20:37,210
it's true I don't look at a house as

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01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:37,660
haunted

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01:20:41,790 --> 01:20:39,130
I don't I don't think there is such

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01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:41,800
thing as a haunted house so what do you

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01:20:46,620 --> 01:20:44,170
say is it just a house that just happens

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01:20:49,170 --> 01:20:46,630
to have strange things going on I think

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01:20:51,750 --> 01:20:49,180
if anything it's paranormal activity if

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01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:51,760
it exists if we can prove that there's

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01:20:55,770 --> 01:20:54,130
strange goings-on in somebody's house

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01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:55,780
then it's got to be some kind of

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01:21:00,240 --> 01:20:58,000
activity it's got to be something that

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01:21:02,910 --> 01:21:00,250
you can't necessarily see sense or smell

1915
01:21:04,650 --> 01:21:02,920
well at least I don't think so going on

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01:21:07,050 --> 01:21:04,660
in the dwellings if you tear that house

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01:21:09,450 --> 01:21:07,060
down and move it away I would subscribe

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01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:09,460
to the theory that the energy isn't

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01:21:13,470 --> 01:21:11,290
going to necessarily follow you but

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01:21:16,110 --> 01:21:13,480
probably stay there on the land kind of

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01:21:18,060 --> 01:21:16,120
like embedded into our atmosphere and

1922
01:21:20,580 --> 01:21:18,070
that's what I would subscribe to that's

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01:21:23,070 --> 01:21:20,590
kind of an ongoing theory for me almost

1924
01:21:25,020 --> 01:21:23,080
like the movie poltergeist where all the

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01:21:27,750 --> 01:21:25,030
events were singled out in a specific

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01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:27,760
house over some kind of Indian burial

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01:21:32,370 --> 01:21:30,370
ground now hold on there have been

1928
01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:32,380
pulled two guys cases that have been

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01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:34,239
investigated that they're very

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01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:37,690
compelling that do indicate some sort of

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01:21:42,210 --> 01:21:40,239
force or energy is following a specific

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01:21:44,729 --> 01:21:42,220
individual and especially in the

1933
01:21:46,979 --> 01:21:44,739
poltergeist cases that I've read about

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01:21:49,890 --> 01:21:46,989
there's something to go back years - oh

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01:21:52,530 --> 01:21:49,900
no I I can subscribe to that I do I

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01:21:55,020 --> 01:21:52,540
believe that if the energy is exist if

1937
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:55,030
the paranormal exists I I don't see why

1938
01:21:58,770 --> 01:21:56,890
the energy can't attach itself to

1939
01:22:02,160 --> 01:21:58,780
someone I'm just talking about whether

1940
01:22:04,650 --> 01:22:02,170
as a house the theory is that the person

1941
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:04,660
is subconsciously or somehow manifesting

1942
01:22:07,650 --> 01:22:06,489
the events around them right would be

1943
01:22:09,630 --> 01:22:07,660
the third one theory to explain

1944
01:22:11,790 --> 01:22:09,640
poltergeist activity and it would stand

1945
01:22:14,310 --> 01:22:11,800
to reason if that person moved and their

1946
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:14,320
abilities would not stay back there but

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01:22:17,630 --> 01:22:16,050
move with right so right

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01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:17,640
we are dealing with something that's

1949
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:19,770
that's a lot more complex than the

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01:22:26,030 --> 01:22:22,890
simple kind of superstitious explanation

1951
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:26,040
of a disembodied spirit I mean right

1952
01:22:30,650 --> 01:22:28,290
sure if there's a way to prove that then

1953
01:22:32,810 --> 01:22:30,660
then I'll agree with Angelo and Jean and

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01:22:35,060 --> 01:22:32,820
everybody else that you know we need

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01:22:36,980 --> 01:22:35,070
proof on that but there is something

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01:22:39,050 --> 01:22:36,990
going on there's no doubt about it I've

1957
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:39,060
been in the situation I've been out

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01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:41,370
there I've been to some really amazing

1959
01:22:46,220 --> 01:22:43,650
places that I could I can't explain why

1960
01:22:48,530 --> 01:22:46,230
what happened happened but and it does

1961
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:48,540
deserve it does deserve investigation

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01:22:52,700 --> 01:22:50,370
I'm wondering though if you're if you're

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01:22:55,550 --> 01:22:52,710
almost walking into this looking to

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01:22:57,380 --> 01:22:55,560
explain everything as opposed to be

1965
01:22:59,300 --> 01:22:57,390
open-minded about it it sounds like

1966
01:23:02,090 --> 01:22:59,310
you've got a lot of preconceived notions

1967
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:02,100
that you then equivocate with you say

1968
01:23:05,300 --> 01:23:03,360
well I don't believe these places are

1969
01:23:08,270 --> 01:23:05,310
haunted but there is something you know

1970
01:23:11,210 --> 01:23:08,280
paranormal going on well the haunting is

1971
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:11,220
just a simplistic piece of language that

1972
01:23:15,260 --> 01:23:13,050
we attach to something we don't

1973
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:15,270
understand so let's talk about that a

1974
01:23:19,070 --> 01:23:17,130
little bit you don't believe there's

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01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:19,080
ghosts and spirits but but you do think

1976
01:23:21,950 --> 01:23:20,370
there's something going on obviously

1977
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:21,960
you're going around and spending good

1978
01:23:27,710 --> 01:23:25,530
good quality time right don't get me

1979
01:23:29,870 --> 01:23:27,720
wrong it's not that I don't believe in

1980
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:29,880
ghosts there's just no proof at this

1981
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:32,130
time and people like myself are trying

1982
01:23:35,570 --> 01:23:33,810
to go in there too the first and

1983
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:35,580
foremost like I said help people out but

1984
01:23:41,180 --> 01:23:38,880
as an amateur ghost hunter if you will

1985
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:41,190
I'll literally pick up a place you know

1986
01:23:48,050 --> 01:23:44,850
just a business or a a reported Lee

1987
01:23:50,990 --> 01:23:48,060
haunted location in experiment you know

1988
01:23:54,230 --> 01:23:51,000
kind of like a scientist would and you

1989
01:23:56,630 --> 01:23:54,240
know do what most people do and look for

1990
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:56,640
ghosts at that point but the most of

1991
01:24:00,500 --> 01:23:59,040
what my organization about is to help

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01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:00,510
people first and foremost

1993
01:24:04,850 --> 01:24:02,730
and I think the reason they come to

1994
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:04,860
organizations like mine in a ways is to

1995
01:24:08,900 --> 01:24:06,960
be like okay you know I think our place

1996
01:24:11,090 --> 01:24:08,910
is haunted now these are the people that

1997
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:11,100
aren't sure what's going on and we go in

1998
01:24:17,570 --> 01:24:14,090
there to try to rule out all normal

1999
01:24:19,580 --> 01:24:17,580
explanations all possibilities before we

2000
01:24:21,620 --> 01:24:19,590
look at the inexplicable I think yeah

2001
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:21,630
yeah that's that's a good scientific

2002
01:24:26,060 --> 01:24:23,280
approach that more teams out there

2003
01:24:28,010 --> 01:24:26,070
should be should be utilizing yeah and

2004
01:24:28,690 --> 01:24:28,020
there are members in my group that are

2005
01:24:31,090 --> 01:24:28,700
one

2006
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:31,100
10% convinced that ghosts are real and

2007
01:24:39,070 --> 01:24:33,770
they exist and we try to do different

2008
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:39,080
methods to communicate to detect whether

2009
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:40,370
it's sitting in the room by yourself

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01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:43,730
hours on and hoping to get a catch a

2011
01:24:48,070 --> 01:24:45,920
glimpse of the individual I mean yeah I

2012
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:48,080
guess you can kind of say we're like two

2013
01:24:53,770 --> 01:24:51,170
teams in one you've got the skeptical

2014
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:53,780
analysis but then you also got the team

2015
01:25:00,400 --> 01:24:57,050
that wants to investigate the the

2016
01:25:02,650 --> 01:25:00,410
hauntings actually look for spiritual

2017
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:02,660
phenomenon I know that's kind of

2018
01:25:05,020 --> 01:25:04,130
complicated but that's just the way I

2019
01:25:06,670 --> 01:25:05,030
like my group

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01:25:09,700 --> 01:25:06,680
I don't want it one way or the other I

2021
01:25:11,850 --> 01:25:09,710
want well much to your credit I think

2022
01:25:14,020 --> 01:25:11,860
Jane would agree that that would be the

2023
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:14,030
optimal approach in terms of

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01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:16,400
establishing you know irrefutable data

2025
01:25:22,030 --> 01:25:19,130
that you could present to a scientist or

2026
01:25:24,730 --> 01:25:22,040
and take it that next step into academia

2027
01:25:27,910 --> 01:25:24,740
whatever it's important to have all your

2028
01:25:30,190 --> 01:25:27,920
your protocols set have everybody

2029
01:25:32,620 --> 01:25:30,200
trained to follow them you know to the

2030
01:25:34,150 --> 01:25:32,630
letter and and like you said be very

2031
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:34,160
skeptical in your an analytical process

2032
01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:37,250
but be open-minded to the possibility

2033
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:38,960
that there there may be something there

2034
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:41,690
and and that's where the whole skeptic

2035
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:45,650
debunker line needs to be defined so I'm

2036
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:46,970
glad that you're you're you're

2037
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:48,410
open-minded enough and you have people

2038
01:25:52,330 --> 01:25:50,330
that are there the other extreme

2039
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:52,340
basically and and I think that's a good

2040
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:54,770
full spectrum approach and I think Jean

2041
01:25:59,770 --> 01:25:56,210
would agree right Jean I like people

2042
01:26:01,930 --> 01:25:59,780
speaking for me but that's okay enjoy

2043
01:26:04,690 --> 01:26:01,940
the action the other question here is

2044
01:26:06,940 --> 01:26:04,700
your core group of investigators you

2045
01:26:09,340 --> 01:26:06,950
find yourself disagreeing intensively

2046
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:09,350
with one another on the proper

2047
01:26:15,100 --> 01:26:12,290
techniques to investigate I yes yes

2048
01:26:17,650 --> 01:26:15,110
short answer yeah we don't always see

2049
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:17,660
eye to eye with one another some of the

2050
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:19,850
like I said some of us are more

2051
01:26:24,490 --> 01:26:23,120
skeptical than others and that's you

2052
01:26:26,830 --> 01:26:24,500
know but that's the way we like it we

2053
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:26,840
all get along we can't imagine being in

2054
01:26:30,850 --> 01:26:29,120
a group that everybody is the same

2055
01:26:34,660 --> 01:26:30,860
you know cooker cookie cutter type

2056
01:26:36,460 --> 01:26:34,670
organization we you know we like the way

2057
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:36,470
it is well we'll have debates at our

2058
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:38,930
meetings I'll go on forever but that's

2059
01:26:42,379 --> 01:26:41,210
just the way it is do you guys all wear

2060
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:42,389
black t-shirts

2061
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:49,050
no no ba doo doo doo any investigations

2062
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:51,690
during the day wanted site type

2063
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:55,170
investigations yes hours and what time

2064
01:27:01,160 --> 01:26:56,850
the day it is really doesn't matter to

2065
01:27:02,689 --> 01:27:01,170
us I I subscribe i subscribe into the if

2066
01:27:06,140 --> 01:27:02,699
there's activity it's going to be

2067
01:27:10,129 --> 01:27:06,150
year-round all hours I don't subscribe

2068
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:10,139
in the 3 a.m. philosophy that that's the

2069
01:27:15,370 --> 01:27:12,690
which an hour or or any of that I don't

2070
01:27:17,780 --> 01:27:15,380
believe in that fast question here Jeff

2071
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:17,790
who pays for your equipment it's just

2072
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:19,440
something from donation so you take it

2073
01:27:24,260 --> 01:27:22,290
out of your bank accounts what it's out

2074
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:24,270
of our pocket it's all funded by

2075
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:27,330
ourselves we do accept donations

2076
01:27:31,790 --> 01:27:29,250
I just wanted to plug that real quick

2077
01:27:34,399 --> 01:27:31,800
that's ok now if I came to your

2078
01:27:36,859 --> 01:27:34,409
organization skeptic believer otherwise

2079
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:36,869
and I said Jeff is there a single

2080
01:27:42,410 --> 01:27:39,840
compelling case that would make me

2081
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:42,420
believe release feel that something

2082
01:27:49,850 --> 01:27:44,610
weird is going on what would that case

2083
01:27:52,370 --> 01:27:49,860
be what can you tell me ah there have

2084
01:27:56,780 --> 01:27:52,380
been a couple of cases where even as a

2085
01:27:59,000 --> 01:27:56,790
quote-unquote skeptical person I've yeah

2086
01:28:02,450 --> 01:27:59,010
I felt something but I can't measure it

2087
01:28:04,669 --> 01:28:02,460
I can't you know you know hand it to

2088
01:28:09,700 --> 01:28:04,679
somebody and say this is this is proof

2089
01:28:12,609 --> 01:28:09,710
but the who sack tunnel and Berkshire

2090
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:12,619
Massachusetts or Berkshire County is

2091
01:28:17,780 --> 01:28:16,080
probably the one place I've gone to and

2092
01:28:19,820 --> 01:28:17,790
really felt that there was more than

2093
01:28:22,700 --> 01:28:19,830
just myself and the other investigators

2094
01:28:25,370 --> 01:28:22,710
that were in the tunnel and I'm not

2095
01:28:27,859 --> 01:28:25,380
talking about you know Joe the railroad

2096
01:28:30,770 --> 01:28:27,869
guy you know crossing the tunnel this

2097
01:28:33,169 --> 01:28:30,780
tunnel is five miles long and it's

2098
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:33,179
nothing but pitch dark maybe it was

2099
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:36,210
psychological I don't know but you start

2100
01:28:41,780 --> 01:28:39,810
to hear voices that aren't there you

2101
01:28:45,169 --> 01:28:41,790
know the feeling of somebody behind you

2102
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:45,179
watching you it's all there it's all in

2103
01:28:50,839 --> 01:28:48,449
that one particular location that's you

2104
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:50,849
know as any investigator in this field

2105
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:53,610
that wants the the thrill or seek a

2106
01:28:58,520 --> 01:28:55,770
thrill moment that would be the

2107
01:29:00,860 --> 01:28:58,530
to go well I know that Chris and I are

2108
01:29:02,630 --> 01:29:00,870
going to leave a momentarily you know

2109
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:02,640
before the next episode did you get

2110
01:29:06,710 --> 01:29:04,770
those voices on did you record the

2111
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:06,720
voices were you able to get some decent

2112
01:29:12,740 --> 01:29:10,530
audio noting that that was the worst

2113
01:29:14,660 --> 01:29:12,750
part because you can hear the voices you

2114
01:29:17,660 --> 01:29:14,670
can you know like I said you can almost

2115
01:29:20,330 --> 01:29:17,670
see movement and I know it you know

2116
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:20,340
darkness and flashlights so the infrared

2117
01:29:29,090 --> 01:29:25,530
didn't go off using FLIR no and I are we

2118
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:29,100
at that time now this was years we have

2119
01:29:38,900 --> 01:29:30,690
Jeff Stewart joining us with Jean and

2120
01:29:41,300 --> 01:29:38,910
Kris you're in the para cast the gzn

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Jerry Clark tends to be a rather

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skeptical person about a lot of things I

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expect he's gonna be skeptical about the

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Aztec UFO case but that's another show

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another discussion don't you agree with

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me Chris Jerry is gonna have a hard time

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with it yeah but he should be

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open-minded enough to at least look at

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we'll have to see Jeff Stewart are you

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gonna write a book uh I don't know what

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the future holds I tend to leave that my

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buddy Joe Citro and and all the other

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authors I I'm not very good with the pen

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and pencil or typewriter if you will

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let's go to another question we have a

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guy named Poulter worst which is an

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interesting name to use when we're

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talking about hunting ghosts

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he calls himself a paranormal maven

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which is a stock title that we give to

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our foreign members with some experience

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you for example Jeff Stewart are a

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paranormal novice and you have to post

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more messages before you become a maven

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that's how the law of attraction for us

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right yes we expect that respect you be

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in the forms now and people will ask you

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questions about the show so Powter worse

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says do you think there is a chance that

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scientifically motivated amateur case

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studies like hauntings or cryptid

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01:35:26,650 --> 01:35:24,500
sightings will ever be recognized by

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mainstream scientists now I have an

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answer to that but I want to know about

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yours I want the same no I know that's

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kind of you know taking the easy way out

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but at this time I'm gonna say no

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there's always going to be Dell I think

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they're all even if even if you bring

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Casper the Friendly Ghost and I I think

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there's gonna be some kind of Dell so if

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so if Obama trots out an alien and says

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say hello to my little friend there's

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gonna be people out there they then go

2274
01:36:00,220 --> 01:35:57,380
it's a hologram no alien it was a

2275
01:36:03,060 --> 01:36:00,230
projected image and so there will always

2276
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be the you know the hard core you know

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01:36:08,450 --> 01:36:05,909
close-minded Phil class

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you know descendants out there yeah it's

2279
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:10,199
kind of like you wonder if that ETS

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gonna say 18 18 18 18 18 your own home

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phone home the must consume mass

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quantities of beer you know the beer

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there's a song by the way in heaven

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though is no beer that's why we drink it

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here and that's what et sings an

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accurate said they had it on meeps or

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poor or maybe they didn't and he

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discovered it on earth and and they the

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Coneheads really loved it okay

2290
01:36:41,870 --> 01:36:40,500
we go back to Poulter worst his second

2291
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:41,880
question do you think there is a

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paradigm shift for ghosts from being

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what might be called mankind's oldest

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01:36:50,950 --> 01:36:50,070
myth to be coming everyday fact is that

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gonna happen

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no Wow where do they come from amazing

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is all I can say and that's an answer I

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don't think I'm qualified the answer so

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you don't think it'll ever happen you

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say so you're out there you're out there

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spending hundreds of hours for thousands

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of dollars and you don't think it's

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gonna happen what's your motivation son

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the motivation for it is pure

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01:37:22,610 --> 01:37:19,679
imagination no I am I'm only joking

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now it's a it's it's part thrilled it's

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part to help and it's the it's the

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unknown I I want to say yes I hope one

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day that you know all the work that I've

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invested in in the millions of people

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before me and after you know it's all

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for something I I really wish that but I

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just

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again I can't answer that I I really

2315
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don't know we could find a Spectre spook

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tonight and present it to the world and

2317
01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:54,120
he can come in and meet you for

2318
01:38:02,050 --> 01:37:58,320
autographs but you know I really don't

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01:38:05,260 --> 01:38:02,060
know well it's like the guys in

2320
01:38:09,110 --> 01:38:05,270
ghostbusters when when they went to the

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the banquet or whatever and then Bill

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Murray got slimed

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and it's like boy if you had that

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evidence there be allowed to bunkers

2325
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like spewing a lot of slime in your

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direction because Wade that would rain

2327
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on a lot of her

2328
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if you had irrefutable evidence an

2329
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autograph signing ghost that's me oh

2330
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:28,200
that would be the ultimate good luck on

2331
01:38:34,220 --> 01:38:29,850
that part of it you know how do they

2332
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hold the pencil or even if they were

2333
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:35,670
okay let's rephrase that how about if

2334
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they're there for Q&A how about that

2335
01:38:42,350 --> 01:38:41,070
question in anti because here's one

2336
01:38:44,530 --> 01:38:42,360
here's one that people ask me all the

2337
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:44,540
time is why do go through their clothes

2338
01:38:50,270 --> 01:38:47,850
and it's a good question that is a good

2339
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:50,280
question wait why are they are again

2340
01:38:55,580 --> 01:38:53,130
that's where we go back to being you

2341
01:38:58,010 --> 01:38:55,590
know thinkers everything's a theory

2342
01:39:01,430 --> 01:38:58,020
whatever you know somehow that's the

2343
01:39:05,900 --> 01:39:01,440
last captured image of who they were or

2344
01:39:09,140 --> 01:39:05,910
whatever and and the energy somehow you

2345
01:39:12,729 --> 01:39:09,150
know captured that like a like a camera

2346
01:39:15,590 --> 01:39:12,739
would and that's what we're seeing or

2347
01:39:17,930 --> 01:39:15,600
what's part of what the being human TV

2348
01:39:19,850 --> 01:39:17,940
series is all about the ghosts in there

2349
01:39:21,410 --> 01:39:19,860
where's the clothing that she wore when

2350
01:39:23,150 --> 01:39:21,420
she died and that's part of the legend

2351
01:39:25,250 --> 01:39:23,160
that ghosts always wear the clothing

2352
01:39:27,290 --> 01:39:25,260
they wore at the point of death

2353
01:39:28,970 --> 01:39:27,300
regardless of what it was or sometimes

2354
01:39:30,860 --> 01:39:28,980
even retained the injuries so their head

2355
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:30,870
was cut off it's gonna be a headless

2356
01:39:36,260 --> 01:39:34,170
ghost right mmm but then again as you

2357
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:36,270
say maybe we are seeing images or we are

2358
01:39:41,390 --> 01:39:39,090
seeing images of another reality that

2359
01:39:42,850 --> 01:39:41,400
goes onto fringe TV show territory

2360
01:39:45,830 --> 01:39:42,860
there's a parallel universe and

2361
01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:45,840
occasionally we see images kind of slip

2362
01:39:50,860 --> 01:39:49,170
through that yeah the guy on the

2363
01:39:53,510 --> 01:39:50,870
railroad tracks walking back and forth

2364
01:39:55,070 --> 01:39:53,520
well somehow that image was captured

2365
01:39:56,229 --> 01:39:55,080
from another reality it's not something

2366
01:39:59,890 --> 01:39:56,239
that happened here

2367
01:40:03,229 --> 01:39:59,900
okay third question from palter worst if

2368
01:40:05,450 --> 01:40:03,239
ghosts were established as fact would

2369
01:40:07,700 --> 01:40:05,460
that mean that survival of consciousness

2370
01:40:12,610 --> 01:40:07,710
is proven I don't think that follows

2371
01:40:15,110 --> 01:40:12,620
does it no I you know wow like I said

2372
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:15,120
these are questions I'm not qualified

2373
01:40:22,340 --> 01:40:17,850
the answer I mean asking me you know

2374
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:22,350
individually I I don't even begin to

2375
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:25,440
wonder what it would be like you know if

2376
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:27,090
that's the answer if that proves

2377
01:40:32,210 --> 01:40:29,730
consciousness that's now that's not what

2378
01:40:34,490 --> 01:40:32,220
I'm about that's not why I'm out there

2379
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:34,500
investigate in our research in or that's

2380
01:40:39,890 --> 01:40:36,570
almost a theological question really it

2381
01:40:42,890 --> 01:40:39,900
is yeah now I I don't know I really

2382
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:42,900
don't I like I said you're always going

2383
01:40:47,630 --> 01:40:44,970
to have your knees layers now what could

2384
01:40:50,950 --> 01:40:47,640
we do about them fourth question from

2385
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:50,960
holter worst can there be such a thing

2386
01:40:57,620 --> 01:40:54,210
has absolute proof for the paranormal or

2387
01:41:00,470 --> 01:40:57,630
can all EVPs footage of light anomalies

2388
01:41:04,490 --> 01:41:00,480
anomalous measurements etc ultimately be

2389
01:41:07,250 --> 01:41:04,500
explained away as I can't even read that

2390
01:41:18,410 --> 01:41:07,260
word but basically misinterpretations or

2391
01:41:19,850 --> 01:41:18,420
even hoaxes hmm I guess he's on a teeter

2392
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:19,860
totter right standing in the middle he

2393
01:41:22,340 --> 01:41:20,880
doesn't know which side to put his

2394
01:41:26,180 --> 01:41:22,350
weight on he wants to say all of the

2395
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:26,190
above I mean come on did you you gotta

2396
01:41:29,690 --> 01:41:27,570
admit there's some pretty compelling

2397
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:29,700
stuff out there that you just can't you

2398
01:41:33,770 --> 01:41:31,290
know wave a stick out and make it go

2399
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:33,780
away I you know I I don't know well

2400
01:41:37,370 --> 01:41:35,850
that's that's me raised a dowsing rod

2401
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:37,380
that's what it's all about

2402
01:41:41,540 --> 01:41:39,690
hey my mom was a great dowsing shy so I

2403
01:41:45,110 --> 01:41:41,550
watched her douse my brothers well you

2404
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:45,120
talk about my mama oh hey you back in

2405
01:41:51,650 --> 01:41:49,290
the hood man what I'm gonna attempt to

2406
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:51,660
answer their questions probably on the

2407
01:41:58,280 --> 01:41:54,570
forums because I really you know I

2408
01:42:00,740 --> 01:41:58,290
really want to be like them I want to

2409
01:42:02,780 --> 01:42:00,750
you know ask those questions and they

2410
01:42:05,300 --> 01:42:02,790
answer those questions the way they want

2411
01:42:07,850 --> 01:42:05,310
them but I don't think anybody has the

2412
01:42:11,180 --> 01:42:07,860
answers to it unless that happened I am

2413
01:42:13,100 --> 01:42:11,190
NOT a very good the geologist I'm really

2414
01:42:15,710 --> 01:42:13,110
not just trying to learn you're not

2415
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:15,720
going to reach conclusions and isn't

2416
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:17,370
that part of the probably fine in all

2417
01:42:21,890 --> 01:42:19,410
realms of paranormal research where

2418
01:42:23,420 --> 01:42:21,900
people are just too inclined to think

2419
01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:23,430
they have an answer and it has to be the

2420
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:25,760
answer so ghosts or spirits of the Dead

2421
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:28,800
UFOs are et but maybe there's some other

2422
01:42:33,470 --> 01:42:30,930
phenomenon going here you believe UFOs

2423
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:33,480
or et but you have to agree we don't

2424
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:35,010
know that for certain we just know

2425
01:42:39,110 --> 01:42:36,570
something's going on we can't explain

2426
01:42:41,180 --> 01:42:39,120
right it's all the theory to us or

2427
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:41,190
somebody else's theories that we carry

2428
01:42:45,510 --> 01:42:44,970
on I I just don't think that we need to

2429
01:42:48,900 --> 01:42:45,520
subscribe

2430
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:48,910
to one particular theory and follow it

2431
01:42:53,190 --> 01:42:50,770
like robots I don't believe in that I

2432
01:42:56,310 --> 01:42:53,200
mean yeah I call myself an investigator

2433
01:43:00,090 --> 01:42:56,320
because that's what I do I I investigate

2434
01:43:03,660 --> 01:43:00,100
that's it I I don't try to think beyond

2435
01:43:05,370 --> 01:43:03,670
and what else and and all that I listen

2436
01:43:07,710 --> 01:43:05,380
to other people and they're like oh well

2437
01:43:11,460 --> 01:43:07,720
you know maybe ghosts aren't ghosts

2438
01:43:14,100 --> 01:43:11,470
maybe they're tricksters or they're

2439
01:43:15,870 --> 01:43:14,110
interdimensional beings I'm open for

2440
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:15,880
whatever sure why not

2441
01:43:20,700 --> 01:43:18,610
we don't have the answers to everything

2442
01:43:24,780 --> 01:43:20,710
I mean look how much of the ocean that's

2443
01:43:27,510 --> 01:43:24,790
on that hasn't been explored yet God the

2444
01:43:30,060 --> 01:43:27,520
brain itself is brilliant you know

2445
01:43:31,980 --> 01:43:30,070
there's so much we don't know and as an

2446
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:31,990
investigator someone that wants to learn

2447
01:43:38,310 --> 01:43:35,290
I I just wanna you know I want to see

2448
01:43:40,710 --> 01:43:38,320
for myself that's that's my purpose and

2449
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:40,720
hope that if you continue watching it

2450
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:42,010
you'll come across with some kind of

2451
01:43:46,770 --> 01:43:43,930
answer now we have another question I'm

2452
01:43:49,050 --> 01:43:46,780
gonna phrase it here but I expect you to

2453
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:49,060
answer this question on the other side

2454
01:43:54,300 --> 01:43:51,850
of the next segment so we call this in

2455
01:43:56,070 --> 01:43:54,310
show business the cliffhanger if I'm

2456
01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:56,080
Poulter worse then he has a couple of

2457
01:43:59,370 --> 01:43:57,010
questions after this

2458
01:44:01,830 --> 01:43:59,380
do you have recordings of events that

2459
01:44:05,100 --> 01:44:01,840
you would count as proof of war at least

2460
01:44:07,470 --> 01:44:05,110
convincing evidence if so how do you try

2461
01:44:09,540 --> 01:44:07,480
to make certain they can't easily be

2462
01:44:11,460 --> 01:44:09,550
refuted that's kind of repeating some

2463
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:11,470
stuff we've already talked about but

2464
01:44:16,590 --> 01:44:13,090
we'll have Jeff Stewart explaining that

2465
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:16,600
when we get back after this break with

2466
01:44:22,350 --> 01:44:19,930
Jeff Stewart ghost hunter UFO hunter

2467
01:44:24,590 --> 01:44:22,360
with Gene and Kris you're in the para

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01:44:27,979 --> 01:44:24,600
cast

2469
01:44:30,229 --> 01:44:27,989
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01:44:42,629 --> 01:44:40,419
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2487
01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:11,019
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2488
01:45:14,429 --> 01:45:12,639
investment advisors won't talk about

2489
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2490
01:45:17,969 --> 01:45:16,329
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2491
01:45:19,349 --> 01:45:17,979
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2496
01:45:51,910 --> 01:45:47,600
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2497
01:45:56,360 --> 01:45:51,920
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2498
01:45:59,750 --> 01:45:56,370
here's Jane Steinberg I'm here with

2499
01:46:03,050 --> 01:45:59,760
Chris O'Brien and we're talking to the

2500
01:46:05,540 --> 01:46:03,060
fence sitting ghost hunter himself Jeff

2501
01:46:08,060 --> 01:46:05,550
Stewart a paranormal novice in our

2502
01:46:10,790 --> 01:46:08,070
forums and he does not want to be pinned

2503
01:46:12,710 --> 01:46:10,800
down for any particular final answer so

2504
01:46:15,200 --> 01:46:12,720
I asked you a question about recordings

2505
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:15,210
of events that might be convincing in

2506
01:46:18,380 --> 01:46:16,770
our previous segment and we kind of

2507
01:46:23,330 --> 01:46:18,390
discussed this before but what is your

2508
01:46:26,050 --> 01:46:23,340
response the thing the thing well that

2509
01:46:28,580 --> 01:46:26,060
solves that question don't you no no no

2510
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:28,590
III want the answer and I was thinking

2511
01:46:33,530 --> 01:46:31,770
of that during the break so what is what

2512
01:46:35,210 --> 01:46:33,540
is your best case give us give us a

2513
01:46:38,180 --> 01:46:35,220
blow-by-blow in your best case and why

2514
01:46:39,950 --> 01:46:38,190
you consider it to be that first of all

2515
01:46:41,860 --> 01:46:39,960
how many cases approximately have you

2516
01:46:45,080 --> 01:46:41,870
been on what was your case log up - ah

2517
01:46:47,990 --> 01:46:45,090
that's a good question I without

2518
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:48,000
exaggeration I want to say nearly 200

2519
01:46:52,070 --> 01:46:50,250
when out of those and out of those how

2520
01:46:54,200 --> 01:46:52,080
many had elements that you could not

2521
01:46:57,170 --> 01:46:54,210
explain that you feel were worthy of

2522
01:46:59,420 --> 01:46:57,180
further investigation only 30 and out of

2523
01:47:01,610 --> 01:46:59,430
those what is the longest case that

2524
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:01,620
you've been out on in a continual sort

2525
01:47:09,050 --> 01:47:03,810
of ongoing manner that would have to be

2526
01:47:11,300 --> 01:47:09,060
the back in I in time bed-and-breakfast

2527
01:47:13,850 --> 01:47:11,310
up in st. Albans Vermont it's still an

2528
01:47:15,410 --> 01:47:13,860
ongoing investigation it really is tell

2529
01:47:18,890 --> 01:47:15,420
us more yeah how long have you been

2530
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:18,900
going there we started going there in

2531
01:47:26,300 --> 01:47:23,970
late 2005 was the first time we went

2532
01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:26,310
then we came back a few months later and

2533
01:47:32,900 --> 01:47:28,890
then a few months later and we're trying

2534
01:47:34,670 --> 01:47:32,910
to set up another date to go back this

2535
01:47:36,590 --> 01:47:34,680
particular place that seems like every

2536
01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:36,600
time we go there we have some kind of

2537
01:47:41,630 --> 01:47:39,330
personal experience but nothing evidence

2538
01:47:43,220 --> 01:47:41,640
worthy nothing that I can show to the

2539
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:43,230
world and say this is what we're

2540
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:45,290
experiencing this is all personal

2541
01:47:51,830 --> 01:47:48,090
experiences feelings everything from

2542
01:47:54,650 --> 01:47:51,840
elusive dreams to have an adorn slammed

2543
01:47:56,660 --> 01:47:54,660
on someone even I had some kind of an

2544
01:47:58,610 --> 01:47:56,670
experience but you

2545
01:48:01,970 --> 01:47:58,620
I question it because I'm not exactly

2546
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:01,980
sure if it was manipulated by you know

2547
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:07,530
the wind or if it was you know ghostly

2548
01:48:12,650 --> 01:48:09,810
whatever you call it I was sleeping in

2549
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:12,660
one of the rooms and probably around

2550
01:48:17,390 --> 01:48:14,730
3:00 4:00 in the morning I think that's

2551
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:17,400
when we stopped investigating after

2552
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:20,850
being there all afternoon I just started

2553
01:48:25,310 --> 01:48:22,890
to turn in and the rocking chair in my

2554
01:48:27,050 --> 01:48:25,320
room which hasn't done anything the

2555
01:48:30,950 --> 01:48:27,060
whole night just decided to rock by

2556
01:48:33,229 --> 01:48:30,960
itself and not even six seven seconds

2557
01:48:36,650 --> 01:48:33,239
later it just stopped it was very still

2558
01:48:39,260 --> 01:48:36,660
and I'm like okay I'm like that and I

2559
01:48:41,180 --> 01:48:39,270
got a myth that's interesting that you

2560
01:48:43,550 --> 01:48:41,190
know I I don't have an explanation of

2561
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:43,560
course I got rate up I checked the

2562
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:45,449
windows check the door make sure there

2563
01:48:51,140 --> 01:48:48,810
are no breezes or or anybody sticking a

2564
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:51,150
yardstick in there to get me going which

2565
01:48:56,510 --> 01:48:55,050
nobody on my crew would do and I said

2566
01:48:58,550 --> 01:48:56,520
alright well that was interesting you

2567
01:48:59,900 --> 01:48:58,560
know there's someone in here with me you

2568
01:49:03,290 --> 01:48:59,910
know let's let's see a little bit more

2569
01:49:05,900 --> 01:49:03,300
you know make the chair Rock again if

2570
01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:05,910
you could which I would love show

2571
01:49:08,060 --> 01:49:07,290
yourself you know let's have a

2572
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:08,070
conversation

2573
01:49:13,729 --> 01:49:11,010
manipulate an object pick it up you know

2574
01:49:16,250 --> 01:49:13,739
sit next to me grab me by the arm

2575
01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:16,260
anything anything to prove that that

2576
01:49:21,770 --> 01:49:18,960
wasn't just some kind of random fluke

2577
01:49:24,290 --> 01:49:21,780
that happened and of course nothing has

2578
01:49:26,860 --> 01:49:24,300
happened since but every member in my

2579
01:49:30,050 --> 01:49:26,870
organization has their own personal

2580
01:49:31,850 --> 01:49:30,060
experience with the location I would say

2581
01:49:34,070 --> 01:49:31,860
there's some kind of activity there what

2582
01:49:36,950 --> 01:49:34,080
it is I don't know it's an ongoing

2583
01:49:38,600 --> 01:49:36,960
investigation so this is one of the

2584
01:49:40,459 --> 01:49:38,610
things that maybe we'll have more

2585
01:49:44,720 --> 01:49:40,469
answers on the future episode but right

2586
01:49:46,610 --> 01:49:44,730
now you say that out of 200 cases you're

2587
01:49:49,970 --> 01:49:46,620
doing extended investigations or

2588
01:49:54,229 --> 01:49:49,980
follow-ups or take seriously 30 the

2589
01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:54,239
other 170 why don't you include them on

2590
01:49:57,590 --> 01:49:55,770
this list is because they don't have

2591
01:50:00,410 --> 01:49:57,600
enough information to make a judgement

2592
01:50:04,939 --> 01:50:00,420
or possibly they're fakes what I want to

2593
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:04,949
say that some of them are okay let's say

2594
01:50:10,399 --> 01:50:08,130
most of them are cases we were able to

2595
01:50:13,790 --> 01:50:10,409
explain or at least come up with

2596
01:50:16,850 --> 01:50:13,800
rational explanations for for most of

2597
01:50:19,189 --> 01:50:16,860
what they're claiming but when someone

2598
01:50:22,669 --> 01:50:19,199
says to us that I had this conversation

2599
01:50:23,780 --> 01:50:22,679
with my uncle Charlie last night you

2600
01:50:26,899 --> 01:50:23,790
know it was wonderful

2601
01:50:30,200 --> 01:50:26,909
okay that's that's a great story but how

2602
01:50:32,629 --> 01:50:30,210
can I investigate that you know I yeah

2603
01:50:34,100 --> 01:50:32,639
you say you got some odd occurrences

2604
01:50:35,660 --> 01:50:34,110
that are going on in the house and you

2605
01:50:39,410 --> 01:50:35,670
want us to come there and check it out

2606
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:39,420
okay that's not a problem that warrants

2607
01:50:43,820 --> 01:50:41,610
you know our attention if there's

2608
01:50:44,860 --> 01:50:43,830
certain things that are going on beyond

2609
01:50:48,169 --> 01:50:44,870
your control

2610
01:50:51,229 --> 01:50:48,179
but when there's nothing and you've been

2611
01:50:53,300 --> 01:50:51,239
there maybe I think we do two visits

2612
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:53,310
before we're like there's just nothing

2613
01:50:58,250 --> 01:50:54,810
there

2614
01:50:59,360 --> 01:50:58,260
you know or even one visit you could

2615
01:51:01,550 --> 01:50:59,370
pretty much tell that there's nothing

2616
01:51:03,350 --> 01:51:01,560
going on and the most that ever happened

2617
01:51:06,379 --> 01:51:03,360
was this individual had a conversation a

2618
01:51:08,510 --> 01:51:06,389
one-time conversation with their like I

2619
01:51:09,229 --> 01:51:08,520
said uncle Charlie there's nothing I can

2620
01:51:12,470 --> 01:51:09,239
do about that

2621
01:51:14,270 --> 01:51:12,480
there there's no way to to investigate

2622
01:51:18,379 --> 01:51:14,280
that occurrence it could have just

2623
01:51:20,959 --> 01:51:18,389
possibly been that one time visit from

2624
01:51:23,330 --> 01:51:20,969
this apparition a loved one saying

2625
01:51:26,540 --> 01:51:23,340
goodbye or whatever the case may be or

2626
01:51:27,919 --> 01:51:26,550
may be psychologically wise you know

2627
01:51:30,229 --> 01:51:27,929
that's where the skeptic and me comes in

2628
01:51:32,810 --> 01:51:30,239
that maybe that was his own perception

2629
01:51:37,340 --> 01:51:32,820
maybe that was his own way of getting

2630
01:51:39,530 --> 01:51:37,350
closure for this person's death I just

2631
01:51:41,330 --> 01:51:39,540
as an investigator you have to kind of

2632
01:51:44,180 --> 01:51:41,340
say well case closed unless something

2633
01:51:45,770 --> 01:51:44,190
else comes along I have more witnesses

2634
01:51:48,350 --> 01:51:45,780
say that this individual is coming

2635
01:51:51,140 --> 01:51:48,360
around we'd have to reopen the case and

2636
01:51:53,060 --> 01:51:51,150
go in and hope we can get some answers

2637
01:51:55,459 --> 01:51:53,070
that's the big problem with paranormal

2638
01:51:59,540 --> 01:51:55,469
investigations in general these may be

2639
01:52:01,160 --> 01:51:59,550
one-time only events how do you repeat

2640
01:52:03,290 --> 01:52:01,170
which is what of course scientists want

2641
01:52:06,229 --> 01:52:03,300
they want repeatability if you see a UFO

2642
01:52:07,820 --> 01:52:06,239
in the sky they want to see it every

2643
01:52:09,260 --> 01:52:07,830
night at the same time otherwise it's

2644
01:52:12,260 --> 01:52:09,270
hard to take seriously and of course

2645
01:52:14,930 --> 01:52:12,270
with UFO cases more than 90% are a

2646
01:52:16,310 --> 01:52:14,940
conventional phenomena and I guess some

2647
01:52:17,899 --> 01:52:16,320
are hoaxes of course we all know that

2648
01:52:19,729 --> 01:52:17,909
but that's the big problem in this

2649
01:52:21,919 --> 01:52:19,739
research how do you deal with that

2650
01:52:24,200 --> 01:52:21,929
scientific conundrum that of

2651
01:52:26,900 --> 01:52:24,210
repeatability repeating the experiment

2652
01:52:29,900 --> 01:52:26,910
it you really can't you can only take

2653
01:52:33,140 --> 01:52:29,910
the person's report down you know I

2654
01:52:36,260 --> 01:52:33,150
personally as a you know as a tourist I

2655
01:52:38,930 --> 01:52:36,270
like to go out to the location where you

2656
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:38,940
know they saw the the craft and you know

2657
01:52:42,650 --> 01:52:40,770
kind of just kind of see the landscape

2658
01:52:44,690 --> 01:52:42,660
for myself but the report itself you

2659
01:52:46,370 --> 01:52:44,700
take down as much information as you can

2660
01:52:48,770 --> 01:52:46,380
even if it doesn't seem like it's

2661
01:52:51,830 --> 01:52:48,780
related just you know listen to them

2662
01:52:54,200 --> 01:52:51,840
report it and hope that somebody else

2663
01:52:56,180 --> 01:52:54,210
has the similar experience and say okay

2664
01:52:57,320 --> 01:52:56,190
maybe what you saw is extraterrestrial

2665
01:52:59,450 --> 01:52:57,330
because it's more than one person that

2666
01:53:03,130 --> 01:52:59,460
saw it you know kind of a supportive

2667
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:03,140
witness if you will I personally go for

2668
01:53:08,990 --> 01:53:05,610
locations like I'll mention really quick

2669
01:53:13,880 --> 01:53:09,000
we've got what we're calling a UFO

2670
01:53:16,250 --> 01:53:13,890
window this location the is probably

2671
01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:16,260
going on maybe eight years now

2672
01:53:22,250 --> 01:53:19,770
various informants if you will reporters

2673
01:53:26,660 --> 01:53:22,260
people that have told us that they've

2674
01:53:28,280 --> 01:53:26,670
seen UFOs go up past this mountain or

2675
01:53:30,979 --> 01:53:28,290
this hill where this location is and

2676
01:53:32,510 --> 01:53:30,989
just disappear they've seen them just

2677
01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:32,520
one minute they're looking for the sky

2678
01:53:37,820 --> 01:53:34,650
there's nothing there and next there's

2679
01:53:42,500 --> 01:53:37,830
your classic you know triangle UFO

2680
01:53:46,300 --> 01:53:42,510
coming out of the clouds and you know

2681
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:46,310
it's a location that we keep our eye on

2682
01:53:51,770 --> 01:53:49,290
constantly we we do excursions out there

2683
01:53:53,209 --> 01:53:51,780
or when we can we go out there now is

2684
01:53:56,600 --> 01:53:53,219
this predictable every night we're going

2685
01:53:59,900 --> 01:53:56,610
to see the UFO or it's random I wish it

2686
01:54:02,570 --> 01:53:59,910
was like that I I'd call up your your

2687
01:54:04,040 --> 01:54:02,580
buddy bill burr bill birnes and have

2688
01:54:06,410 --> 01:54:04,050
them come out with a film crew but they

2689
01:54:08,810 --> 01:54:06,420
don't do that anymore oh oh that's right

2690
01:54:10,610 --> 01:54:08,820
so they don't know they got the ancient

2691
01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:10,620
aliens but I guess that you know that's

2692
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a different different now the key is he

2693
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of course is that looking at this window

2694
01:54:21,229 --> 01:54:19,650
area whatever is it just UFOs or are

2695
01:54:24,110 --> 01:54:21,239
other things happening within that

2696
01:54:27,440 --> 01:54:24,120
region very very good question and I'll

2697
01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:27,450
answer that yes apparently there is a

2698
01:54:36,290 --> 01:54:33,450
small a small hairy bipedal creature at

2699
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this location this

2700
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a one-time rapport so as you can imagine

2701
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the tone of my voice I don't necessarily

2702
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you know look for this creature but it's

2703
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a rapport just the same we have to

2704
01:54:53,180 --> 01:54:50,820
record it that's kind of our job to keep

2705
01:54:54,979 --> 01:54:53,190
it in the files because if we hear of it

2706
01:54:57,080 --> 01:54:54,989
again hopefully if anyone's listening in

2707
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Vermont please don't just you know email

2708
01:55:02,689 --> 01:55:00,119
me about the creature but supposedly

2709
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this creature stalks the mountain why I

2710
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don't know I never really heard of a

2711
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pygmy Sasquatch so yeah what color is it

2712
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they said he was more like an Auburn

2713
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kind of like a chimpanzee mm-hmm well

2714
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2715
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go back generations all across the

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country of diminutive forms one of the

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most prevalent being small haridwar I

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will get into small hairy things and

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para cast comm with Jeff Stewart ghost

2826
02:00:04,959 --> 02:00:02,690
hunter UFO hunter we were talking about

2827
02:00:07,360 --> 02:00:04,969
pick me sasquatch

2828
02:00:10,120 --> 02:00:07,370
in this particular location is it a

2829
02:00:13,870 --> 02:00:10,130
mysterious location where is it again it

2830
02:00:15,250 --> 02:00:13,880
is actually called Cobble Hill and the

2831
02:00:17,830 --> 02:00:15,260
street are you ready

2832
02:00:22,060 --> 02:00:17,840
cobble he'll write this down folks get

2833
02:00:27,340 --> 02:00:22,070
your pen and paper button if you miss it

2834
02:00:30,280 --> 02:00:27,350
okay write this down over there tomorrow

2835
02:00:33,130 --> 02:00:30,290
it's in Colchester Vermont if you come

2836
02:00:35,200 --> 02:00:33,140
out I mean please look me up I'd love to

2837
02:00:37,300 --> 02:00:35,210
meet you guys I really would like I said

2838
02:00:39,479 --> 02:00:37,310
this is a one-time thing and unless it

2839
02:00:42,700 --> 02:00:39,489
was some kind of hairy wrestler

2840
02:00:47,229 --> 02:00:42,710
running wild in the woods I I'm gonna

2841
02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:47,239
chalk it up to a a one time deal but is

2842
02:00:51,690 --> 02:00:48,410
not a one time deal

2843
02:00:53,379 --> 02:00:51,700
no it's not that's very that's a serious

2844
02:00:56,739 --> 02:00:53,389
investigation that we have

2845
02:00:59,649 --> 02:00:56,749
open is the Cobble Hill location the

2846
02:01:02,459 --> 02:00:59,659
window UFO window area because we've had

2847
02:01:05,139 --> 02:01:02,469
multiple witnesses these are different

2848
02:01:08,770 --> 02:01:05,149
reports that these individuals far as I

2849
02:01:10,479 --> 02:01:08,780
know are not connected and it's you know

2850
02:01:12,370 --> 02:01:10,489
just random reports that we've gotten

2851
02:01:13,600 --> 02:01:12,380
over the years so there's got to be

2852
02:01:15,609 --> 02:01:13,610
something to it right

2853
02:01:18,189 --> 02:01:15,619
the other issue would be the

2854
02:01:20,889 --> 02:01:18,199
surroundings talking to people in the

2855
02:01:22,870 --> 02:01:20,899
area we have the mini Sasquatch or

2856
02:01:25,080 --> 02:01:22,880
whatever anything happened in these

2857
02:01:27,939 --> 02:01:25,090
people's homes do you find any unusual

2858
02:01:29,919 --> 02:01:27,949
paranormal experiences to report or is

2859
02:01:32,169 --> 02:01:29,929
it just still the UFOs except for that

2860
02:01:34,389 --> 02:01:32,179
one exception well it's funny because

2861
02:01:37,149 --> 02:01:34,399
the individuals that are reporting the

2862
02:01:39,909 --> 02:01:37,159
UFOs are not the residents that surround

2863
02:01:43,629 --> 02:01:39,919
this location these are just day hikers

2864
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:43,639
night campers even I believe two of them

2865
02:01:49,389 --> 02:01:46,010
that report it at the same time we're

2866
02:01:50,799 --> 02:01:49,399
just a couple of kids up there for yeah

2867
02:01:52,419 --> 02:01:50,809
let's to talk about it on the radio but

2868
02:01:55,389 --> 02:01:52,429
they were up there in the mountains just

2869
02:01:57,850 --> 02:01:55,399
viewing the skies basically and you know

2870
02:02:00,370 --> 02:01:57,860
I went around to the neighborhood

2871
02:02:03,399 --> 02:02:00,380
canvass did the best I could ask people

2872
02:02:07,179 --> 02:02:03,409
if they've seen anything unusual and

2873
02:02:08,859 --> 02:02:07,189
kinda I don't know Roswell dish nobody

2874
02:02:11,889 --> 02:02:08,869
really wanted to answer me

2875
02:02:15,819 --> 02:02:11,899
Vermont still kind of hush-hush with the

2876
02:02:17,889 --> 02:02:15,829
paranormal and things of that nature in

2877
02:02:20,979 --> 02:02:17,899
New England you think that there's a lot

2878
02:02:23,949 --> 02:02:20,989
of paranormal culture there there is at

2879
02:02:25,389 --> 02:02:23,959
least in Massachusetts and southern New

2880
02:02:27,790 --> 02:02:25,399
Hampshire and Connecticut and Rhode

2881
02:02:31,779 --> 02:02:27,800
Island that seems to be the best place

2882
02:02:33,909 --> 02:02:31,789
to be a paranormal investigator but I I

2883
02:02:36,129 --> 02:02:33,919
can hear you you driving up to Aransas

2884
02:02:38,529 --> 02:02:36,139
get back in your car and go back to the

2885
02:02:40,299 --> 02:02:38,539
bus and that's it that's pretty much

2886
02:02:42,549 --> 02:02:40,309
what they do you got to carry a gun

2887
02:02:43,929 --> 02:02:42,559
where I go cuz man though they'll shoot

2888
02:02:46,389 --> 02:02:43,939
ya if you're on their property

2889
02:02:47,049 --> 02:02:46,399
do they have a stand-your-ground law in

2890
02:02:49,149 --> 02:02:47,059
Vermont

2891
02:02:50,949 --> 02:02:49,159
pretty much well let's just put it this

2892
02:02:52,870 --> 02:02:50,959
way there are no gun laws in the state

2893
02:02:55,629 --> 02:02:52,880
of Vermont you can carry a firearm if

2894
02:02:57,639 --> 02:02:55,639
you're not a felon or on probation so I

2895
02:03:01,020 --> 02:02:57,649
assume as a bounty hunter you carry a

2896
02:03:03,189 --> 02:03:01,030
weapon oh I carry many I have two

2897
02:03:04,750 --> 02:03:03,199
especially working in Vermont it's

2898
02:03:07,140 --> 02:03:04,760
perhaps one of the most dangerous places

2899
02:03:09,490 --> 02:03:07,150
to be

2900
02:03:12,850 --> 02:03:09,500
yeah you hadn't been to Arizona have you

2901
02:03:15,070 --> 02:03:12,860
Jeff no I that's my dream vacation spot

2902
02:03:18,940 --> 02:03:15,080
it really is become just a donut and

2903
02:03:26,530 --> 02:03:18,950
they'll train you awesome I'm always up

2904
02:03:28,630 --> 02:03:26,540
for training your pendulum and a pack of

2905
02:03:31,930 --> 02:03:28,640
tarot cards along with your Ouija board

2906
02:03:33,940 --> 02:03:31,940
that's I'll bring him he's leaving

2907
02:03:37,150 --> 02:03:33,950
tomorrow but of course he'll get stuck

2908
02:03:38,979 --> 02:03:37,160
and he'll be kidnapped or abducted

2909
02:03:40,450 --> 02:03:38,989
aboard a UFO and we'll get there and I

2910
02:03:42,640 --> 02:03:40,460
thought I was leaving tomorrow to go to

2911
02:03:45,220 --> 02:03:42,650
Kabul Hill who are you

2912
02:03:47,229 --> 02:03:45,230
right okay you were gonna fly me out

2913
02:03:49,030 --> 02:03:47,239
there Jean I'd love to go out and do an

2914
02:03:50,590 --> 02:03:49,040
investigation would Jeff even in the

2915
02:03:54,030 --> 02:03:50,600
game right now with the budget we have

2916
02:03:56,620 --> 02:03:54,040
in the para cast you'd have to use wings

2917
02:04:00,010 --> 02:03:56,630
I'll send my evil twin in the Asheville

2918
02:04:03,100 --> 02:04:00,020
oh yes on evil twin in the astral astral

2919
02:04:07,150 --> 02:04:03,110
projection yeah now just parenthetically

2920
02:04:09,130 --> 02:04:07,160
we have UFOs we have ghosts we have a

2921
02:04:12,400 --> 02:04:09,140
rare strange creature any other

2922
02:04:14,680 --> 02:04:12,410
paranormal type encounters in your neck

2923
02:04:18,070 --> 02:04:14,690
of the woods or and your purview there

2924
02:04:19,930 --> 02:04:18,080
are so many stories to tell

2925
02:04:22,600 --> 02:04:19,940
the latest one that we've been working

2926
02:04:24,820 --> 02:04:22,610
on is a sasquatch sighting up in

2927
02:04:26,530 --> 02:04:24,830
Westford Vermont where if you go to our

2928
02:04:31,740 --> 02:04:26,540
website you'll actually see the casts

2929
02:04:36,370 --> 02:04:31,750
that I found in the woods up in Westford

2930
02:04:40,229 --> 02:04:36,380
which by the way fits not too far from

2931
02:04:43,030 --> 02:04:40,239
Kabul hill mm-hmm

2932
02:04:46,600 --> 02:04:43,040
as I said the window area this is why I

2933
02:04:49,320 --> 02:04:46,610
asking you about before yeah that that

2934
02:04:53,470 --> 02:04:49,330
seems to be the hot spot right now

2935
02:04:57,040 --> 02:04:53,480
so I don't know I all we got is you know

2936
02:04:59,260 --> 02:04:57,050
prints and they're they're big they're

2937
02:05:02,650 --> 02:04:59,270
about Oh Oh God

2938
02:05:03,100 --> 02:05:02,660
what did I say 17 inches I think that's

2939
02:05:06,340 --> 02:05:03,110
what it is

2940
02:05:08,710 --> 02:05:06,350
goes on for all my mail and a half like

2941
02:05:11,260 --> 02:05:08,720
70 inches between you mean between

2942
02:05:13,630 --> 02:05:11,270
strides right yeah yeah I mean they're

2943
02:05:16,500 --> 02:05:13,640
they're they're your average you know

2944
02:05:19,730 --> 02:05:16,510
foot size in how big again was the print

2945
02:05:23,480 --> 02:05:19,740
the print I believe was

2946
02:05:26,660 --> 02:05:23,490
20 inches long Wow that's what they call

2947
02:05:28,850 --> 02:05:26,670
it Bigfoot yeah I'm I'm a size 13 and if

2948
02:05:30,080 --> 02:05:28,860
you go onto my website you'll see my

2949
02:05:31,190 --> 02:05:30,090
foot next to it I mean it's just

2950
02:05:34,160 --> 02:05:31,200
gigantic

2951
02:05:35,750 --> 02:05:34,170
told you I'm sick okay so you're about

2952
02:05:36,650 --> 02:05:35,760
the same height as I am with the same

2953
02:05:39,760 --> 02:05:36,660
shoe size

2954
02:05:43,010 --> 02:05:39,770
hey we field warped by those things I

2955
02:05:45,560 --> 02:05:43,020
would probably be really really

2956
02:05:49,430 --> 02:05:45,570
intimidated if I came face-to-face with

2957
02:05:51,260 --> 02:05:49,440
a Sasquatch or Wendigo who knows you

2958
02:05:56,720 --> 02:05:51,270
wouldn't you wouldn't want your little

2959
02:05:58,820 --> 02:05:56,730
niece dating one no no no where was this

2960
02:06:05,180 --> 02:05:58,830
in western Vermont was it near the lake

2961
02:06:08,030 --> 02:06:05,190
or yeah westward Vermont is probably I'd

2962
02:06:10,550 --> 02:06:08,040
say 40 miles from Berlin Singh which is

2963
02:06:11,420 --> 02:06:10,560
right on Lake Champlain right the home

2964
02:06:13,400 --> 02:06:11,430
of our famous

2965
02:06:16,330 --> 02:06:13,410
lake champion you go out and look down

2966
02:06:18,440 --> 02:06:16,340
happy yeah we sure have well neat

2967
02:06:22,520 --> 02:06:18,450
nothing of course we actually went out

2968
02:06:23,720 --> 02:06:22,530
and did kind of a across I guess you

2969
02:06:25,610 --> 02:06:23,730
would call it investigation we went out

2970
02:06:28,070 --> 02:06:25,620
for a great boat ride one time and we

2971
02:06:33,290 --> 02:06:28,080
went to check out buff ledge which is a

2972
02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:33,300
pretty popular UFO sighting in aka

2973
02:06:38,900 --> 02:06:37,290
abduction scenario from the late 60s so

2974
02:06:40,940 --> 02:06:38,910
we went out to check that area and

2975
02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:40,950
Burlinson and well you're on Lake

2976
02:06:46,760 --> 02:06:43,010
Champlain as well look for champ right

2977
02:06:48,590 --> 02:06:46,770
yeah I mean did we go out with the right

2978
02:06:50,270 --> 02:06:48,600
equipment probably not I mean we just

2979
02:06:52,610 --> 02:06:50,280
went out with our camera equipment and

2980
02:06:59,260 --> 02:06:52,620
that's really it I'd love to go out with

2981
02:07:03,400 --> 02:06:59,270
sonar ISM and all the fish find it yeah

2982
02:07:05,840 --> 02:07:03,410
yeah be a big blob on the screen though

2983
02:07:09,860 --> 02:07:05,850
probably I don't know if they have an

2984
02:07:13,130 --> 02:07:09,870
icon for for ciampi probably just be a

2985
02:07:16,130 --> 02:07:13,140
big block completely covering the whole

2986
02:07:18,580 --> 02:07:16,140
thing right the question arises here if

2987
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you have the budget for it you know

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02:07:22,640 --> 02:07:21,120
somebody like the Robert Bigelow gave

2989
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you a couple of million tomorrow what

2990
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kind of equipment do you feel you'd need

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to get this is a question you can start

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02:07:31,100 --> 02:07:29,040
on this side and then the other segment

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will continue what kind of equipment is

2994
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and then only spend half of that money I

2995
02:07:44,859 --> 02:07:39,380
can give the other million to me for my

2996
02:07:49,330 --> 02:07:44,869
equipment needs no there goes I can't

2997
02:07:51,669 --> 02:07:49,340
spend anything at that point I guess I

2998
02:07:53,350 --> 02:07:51,679
would I would want a boat for sure you

2999
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know a boat that I can set up with the

3000
02:07:59,500 --> 02:07:56,090
right equipment with audio-visual

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equipment sonar so I'd have to have one

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of those but then I got to have an

3003
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off-road a set of off-road ATVs because

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there are places that you just can't get

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to so I want some of those as well and

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that equipment trailer type and we'll

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talk about vehicles and more the ideal

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vehicle for Jeff Stewart with Jean and

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Chris you're in the para cast are you

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Erin Andrews I'm standing outside a

3084
02:11:47,900 --> 02:11:46,020
popular Gainesville burger joint

3085
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they've got fresh juicy patties and

3086
02:11:52,050 --> 02:11:49,920
golden brown onion rings but they've had

3087
02:11:54,150 --> 02:11:52,060
unhappy fans until

3088
02:11:56,670 --> 02:11:54,160
so ma'am just what caused the turnaround

3089
02:11:58,710 --> 02:11:56,680
well we love their burgers but until now

3090
02:12:01,380 --> 02:11:58,720
their bathrooms were how study put it

3091
02:12:02,850 --> 02:12:01,390
ooh they were dirty huh oh yeah we

3092
02:12:05,100 --> 02:12:02,860
stopped coming here then we saw the

3093
02:12:07,230 --> 02:12:05,110
Cintas truck and gave another try yep

3094
02:12:09,240 --> 02:12:07,240
they called Cintas for a game changer to

3095
02:12:11,400 --> 02:12:09,250
deep clean these restrooms and to stock

3096
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supplies like hand soap and paper towels

3097
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with Cintas the winning play for you yep

3098
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they want us back and now at this

3099
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restaurant every wall and every stall

3100
02:12:22,320 --> 02:12:20,470
shines for more let's go back up to the

3101
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booth thanks Aaron clean restrooms

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and tasks and tackle for your business

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3105
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call 1-800 CNT as6 or visit soon toss

3106
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calm slash radio and tell him to bring

3107
02:12:42,090 --> 02:12:38,920
in the team with the white truck hi this

3108
02:12:44,700 --> 02:12:42,100
is Don Ecker and you are tuned in to the

3109
02:12:51,590 --> 02:12:44,710
para cast let me tell you what you're

3110
02:12:57,240 --> 02:12:54,750
we have fancy stuff here from Jeff

3111
02:13:00,300 --> 02:12:57,250
Stewart we're putting together the ideal

3112
02:13:02,310 --> 02:13:00,310
wish list for paranormal investigations

3113
02:13:04,740 --> 02:13:02,320
of course in Vermont you've got the

3114
02:13:08,510 --> 02:13:04,750
heavy-duty snow season so things happen

3115
02:13:12,390 --> 02:13:08,520
in the winter of course snowmobiles

3116
02:13:15,030 --> 02:13:12,400
helicopters what yeah oh why not well I

3117
02:13:18,300 --> 02:13:15,040
I wouldn't say necessarily a helicopter

3118
02:13:19,290 --> 02:13:18,310
maybe no no you're right a helicopter

3119
02:13:22,380 --> 02:13:19,300
yeah that would be great

3120
02:13:24,210 --> 02:13:22,390
oh god I would love you get really

3121
02:13:26,790 --> 02:13:24,220
naughty you also gotta buy a mechanic

3122
02:13:30,030 --> 02:13:26,800
too so how about a budget to rent a

3123
02:13:33,090 --> 02:13:30,040
helicopter well yeah yeah I guess more

3124
02:13:34,950 --> 02:13:33,100
or less have you access at all to

3125
02:13:36,780 --> 02:13:34,960
somebody who's a private pilot who can

3126
02:13:40,230 --> 02:13:36,790
take you on a plane trip around this

3127
02:13:42,180 --> 02:13:40,240
places no I again that's that's

3128
02:13:43,470 --> 02:13:42,190
something that would just be a dream you

3129
02:13:44,940 --> 02:13:43,480
know as someone that was in Civil Air

3130
02:13:48,660 --> 02:13:44,950
Patrol they used to have their own

3131
02:13:50,270 --> 02:13:48,670
aircraft they had their own pilot you

3132
02:13:53,820 --> 02:13:50,280
know we used to do the search-and-rescue

3133
02:13:56,820 --> 02:13:53,830
here in Vermont and if I could apply

3134
02:13:59,220 --> 02:13:56,830
that to paranormal investigations I

3135
02:13:59,760 --> 02:13:59,230
think that'd be a great tool are you a

3136
02:14:04,060 --> 02:13:59,770
pilot

3137
02:14:06,129 --> 02:14:04,070
no all right all right just trying to

3138
02:14:09,220 --> 02:14:06,139
all the stuff together and see where

3139
02:14:10,930 --> 02:14:09,230
things make sense nothing makes that now

3140
02:14:13,300 --> 02:14:10,940
there are lots of organizations around

3141
02:14:15,879 --> 02:14:13,310
the country things that don't make sense

3142
02:14:17,950 --> 02:14:15,889
and we know a lot of organizations have

3143
02:14:20,260 --> 02:14:17,960
their own little agenda and they do

3144
02:14:23,229 --> 02:14:20,270
their own thing but do you make efforts

3145
02:14:25,419 --> 02:14:23,239
to cooperate with these other ghost

3146
02:14:29,229 --> 02:14:25,429
hunting or UFO hunting organizations to

3147
02:14:30,760 --> 02:14:29,239
try to get your data and collate it and

3148
02:14:33,910 --> 02:14:30,770
try to figure out what's happening I

3149
02:14:37,260 --> 02:14:33,920
think to an extent yes we do work with

3150
02:14:39,850 --> 02:14:37,270
other organizations and in fact we are

3151
02:14:43,419 --> 02:14:39,860
affiliates of the Atlantic Paranormal

3152
02:14:47,290 --> 02:14:43,429
Society which is the individuals that

3153
02:14:53,620 --> 02:14:47,300
have the show Ghost Hunters that's more

3154
02:14:55,810 --> 02:14:53,630
of a network type situation for us when

3155
02:14:58,780 --> 02:14:55,820
someone obviously they're very famous

3156
02:15:01,390 --> 02:14:58,790
very popular they go to them for case

3157
02:15:02,020 --> 02:15:01,400
requests if they're in Vermont northern

3158
02:15:05,770 --> 02:15:02,030
New York

3159
02:15:08,709 --> 02:15:05,780
and I believe northern New Hampshire we

3160
02:15:11,770 --> 02:15:08,719
get the cases and we'll investigate them

3161
02:15:14,830 --> 02:15:11,780
to the best of our abilities but for the

3162
02:15:19,149 --> 02:15:14,840
most part we really encourage anyone

3163
02:15:22,060 --> 02:15:19,159
that has let's say a UFO sighting to go

3164
02:15:25,780 --> 02:15:22,070
to probably the best organization is

3165
02:15:28,990 --> 02:15:25,790
move on or the National Reporting Center

3166
02:15:31,450 --> 02:15:29,000
I that's what we do we keep it ourselves

3167
02:15:33,330 --> 02:15:31,460
in our files and would be more than

3168
02:15:37,209 --> 02:15:33,340
willing to share and with anyone that

3169
02:15:39,819 --> 02:15:37,219
you know wants them well the ones that

3170
02:15:42,370 --> 02:15:39,829
we can release obviously like most

3171
02:15:45,160 --> 02:15:42,380
organizations people do want their

3172
02:15:46,750 --> 02:15:45,170
privacy and they want their files and

3173
02:15:48,700 --> 02:15:46,760
their reports and their investigations

3174
02:15:52,479 --> 02:15:48,710
kept confidential and I think that's

3175
02:15:55,510 --> 02:15:52,489
where my experience as a form of private

3176
02:15:57,160 --> 02:15:55,520
investigator comes in good point it's

3177
02:15:59,379 --> 02:15:57,170
important to honor all requests for

3178
02:16:00,700 --> 02:15:59,389
anonymity to me it just indicates

3179
02:16:01,990 --> 02:16:00,710
somebody's really going through

3180
02:16:04,899 --> 02:16:02,000
something that they're not seeking

3181
02:16:06,850 --> 02:16:04,909
publicity is I think a real positive

3182
02:16:09,399 --> 02:16:06,860
element but if they don't want their

3183
02:16:11,890 --> 02:16:09,409
names to be out there we investigators

3184
02:16:15,250 --> 02:16:11,900
have a have a responsibility to honor

3185
02:16:18,160 --> 02:16:15,260
that do you find situations where you've

3186
02:16:22,630 --> 02:16:18,170
encountered organizations that just will

3187
02:16:25,600 --> 02:16:22,640
cooperate with you unfortunately no I

3188
02:16:28,420 --> 02:16:25,610
haven't run into an organization that

3189
02:16:30,400 --> 02:16:28,430
that's been very standoffish you know

3190
02:16:32,200 --> 02:16:30,410
like no we don't want to work with you

3191
02:16:34,900 --> 02:16:32,210
for the most part everyone at least here

3192
02:16:37,720 --> 02:16:34,910
in Vermont have kind of a unity we've

3193
02:16:40,690 --> 02:16:37,730
all contacted each other and you know

3194
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hey hello hi and we'd like to form some

3195
02:16:45,310 --> 02:16:43,460
kind of network I've actually had the

3196
02:16:47,190 --> 02:16:45,320
privilege of some of my former members

3197
02:16:49,780 --> 02:16:47,200
actually move on and start their own

3198
02:16:51,910 --> 02:16:49,790
organization and I feel that is more of

3199
02:16:53,830 --> 02:16:51,920
a privilege than somebody saying ah you

3200
02:16:55,890 --> 02:16:53,840
know they left and started their own

3201
02:16:59,110 --> 02:16:55,900
thing while I really were all

3202
02:17:02,770 --> 02:16:59,120
independents we're all individuals with

3203
02:17:03,760 --> 02:17:02,780
their own agendas you know and I don't

3204
02:17:05,770 --> 02:17:03,770
think there's anything wrong with that

3205
02:17:08,080 --> 02:17:05,780
like I said if you're gonna dictate the

3206
02:17:11,980 --> 02:17:08,090
way something should be then you know

3207
02:17:13,870 --> 02:17:11,990
get out move on you're not happy start

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your own it doesn't take much you don't

3209
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need all the fancy equipment all you

3210
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really need is your eyes ears and a

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notebook I think part of it is can't we

3212
02:17:27,790 --> 02:17:23,840
all get along that know that we try is

3213
02:17:29,860 --> 02:17:27,800
there any specific organization that you

3214
02:17:32,410 --> 02:17:29,870
would say if you care to say it is

3215
02:17:35,050 --> 02:17:32,420
especially uncooperative with the

3216
02:17:37,990 --> 02:17:35,060
paranormal research community not that I

3217
02:17:41,590 --> 02:17:38,000
know I know it's not a very fun

3218
02:17:43,500 --> 02:17:41,600
conversation right now but I I've just

3219
02:17:46,720 --> 02:17:43,510
never really had a problem with any

3220
02:17:49,090 --> 02:17:46,730
organization I just had differences with

3221
02:17:51,010 --> 02:17:49,100
the organization that I started with ie

3222
02:17:53,440 --> 02:17:51,020
my belief system was different than

3223
02:17:55,990 --> 02:17:53,450
their so I felt that I I've learned

3224
02:17:59,260 --> 02:17:56,000
enough and started in my own I don't

3225
02:18:01,000 --> 02:17:59,270
watch the TV shows I know that's to some

3226
02:18:03,940 --> 02:18:01,010
people that's almost hard to believe but

3227
02:18:06,880 --> 02:18:03,950
I really don't I watch a lot of

3228
02:18:10,630 --> 02:18:06,890
documentaries I listened to the pear

3229
02:18:12,610 --> 02:18:10,640
cast religiously I that's just me I I'm

3230
02:18:15,520 --> 02:18:12,620
always up for learning something new but

3231
02:18:18,010 --> 02:18:15,530
I just cannot watch docudrama I I just

3232
02:18:21,010 --> 02:18:18,020
can't now we had somebody who does my

3233
02:18:23,669 --> 02:18:21,020
ghost story on the show very recently so

3234
02:18:25,510 --> 02:18:23,679
I guess the question I ask here is the

3235
02:18:28,930 --> 02:18:25,520
people you deal with

3236
02:18:31,450 --> 02:18:28,940
from these shows reality shows are they

3237
02:18:35,299 --> 02:18:31,460
asking you to fabricate stuff what

3238
02:18:37,100 --> 02:18:35,309
no I've actually never been part of

3239
02:18:38,870 --> 02:18:37,110
their their shows I believe you're

3240
02:18:40,100 --> 02:18:38,880
referring to the the goat hunters I've

3241
02:18:44,600 --> 02:18:40,110
actually I say now we're talking about

3242
02:18:47,660 --> 02:18:44,610
my Co story my gos story no I don't know

3243
02:18:51,290 --> 02:18:47,670
anything about that I I would probably

3244
02:18:52,730 --> 02:18:51,300
say that they must be you know say this

3245
02:18:54,259 --> 02:18:52,740
and say that I mean they're in the

3246
02:18:55,459 --> 02:18:54,269
entertainment business that's that's

3247
02:18:57,980 --> 02:18:55,469
what they're there for

3248
02:18:59,270 --> 02:18:57,990
I can't imagine them just turn it on the

3249
02:19:01,310 --> 02:18:59,280
camera and saying alright let's hear

3250
02:19:03,950 --> 02:19:01,320
your story because it doesn't sound as

3251
02:19:05,900 --> 02:19:03,960
entertaining without the music and yeah

3252
02:19:08,419 --> 02:19:05,910
well they do reenactments and stuff I

3253
02:19:11,270 --> 02:19:08,429
think so you know they're attempting to

3254
02:19:14,330 --> 02:19:11,280
approach it obviously from a place of

3255
02:19:17,509 --> 02:19:14,340
entertainment value but according to the

3256
02:19:18,799 --> 02:19:17,519
producer of the show and they really do

3257
02:19:20,060 --> 02:19:18,809
try to bend over backwards to be as

3258
02:19:21,589 --> 02:19:20,070
accurate as possible and they're very

3259
02:19:23,629 --> 02:19:21,599
selective over the cases that they

3260
02:19:26,660 --> 02:19:23,639
choose so I mean you know they're all

3261
02:19:29,509 --> 02:19:26,670
it's all everything's relative once you

3262
02:19:31,040 --> 02:19:29,519
get going on a show and after two or

3263
02:19:33,589 --> 02:19:31,050
three years you have to come up with new

3264
02:19:35,540 --> 02:19:33,599
stuff you know but it does get a little

3265
02:19:37,700 --> 02:19:35,550
tiring to see these you know glowing

3266
02:19:40,640 --> 02:19:37,710
green images and people getting goose

3267
02:19:42,469 --> 02:19:40,650
bumps you know I I watched a number of

3268
02:19:44,780 --> 02:19:42,479
episodes of Ghost Hunters early on the

3269
02:19:46,730 --> 02:19:44,790
first couple years not man half a dozen

3270
02:19:48,500 --> 02:19:46,740
maybe and I haven't watched it since to

3271
02:19:50,900 --> 02:19:48,510
be honest with you they were getting

3272
02:19:53,480 --> 02:19:50,910
into interpersonal dramas and kind of

3273
02:19:56,570 --> 02:19:53,490
bringing in the although I've never seen

3274
02:19:58,790 --> 02:19:56,580
the show the the what was it the Jersey

3275
02:20:06,050 --> 02:19:58,800
Shore what's that that crazy show

3276
02:20:13,310 --> 02:20:06,060
everybody so smoky in the Red Baron or

3277
02:20:15,230 --> 02:20:13,320
something from the shows you want to see

3278
02:20:18,050 --> 02:20:15,240
a good documentary Jeff on unreal

3279
02:20:20,719 --> 02:20:18,060
reality you know documentation of a

3280
02:20:23,240 --> 02:20:20,729
ghost investigation the project we did

3281
02:20:25,219 --> 02:20:23,250
that dead whisper is is I think pretty

3282
02:20:26,960 --> 02:20:25,229
good we were the first ones to actually

3283
02:20:29,570 --> 02:20:26,970
film an EVP session where we got

3284
02:20:31,850 --> 02:20:29,580
interactive EVP and as I said we

3285
02:20:34,010 --> 02:20:31,860
actually got an EVP that pre-staged the

3286
02:20:36,500 --> 02:20:34,020
question the answer the question prior

3287
02:20:38,360 --> 02:20:36,510
to it being asked so there are a few

3288
02:20:38,900 --> 02:20:38,370
good projects out there that I've seen

3289
02:20:41,300 --> 02:20:38,910
that I do

3290
02:20:43,010 --> 02:20:41,310
I do feel these people like you are

3291
02:20:44,450 --> 02:20:43,020
trying to do this as scientifically as

3292
02:20:46,820 --> 02:20:44,460
possible as an amateur's but

3293
02:20:48,110 --> 02:20:46,830
you know get in control data coming up

3294
02:20:51,050 --> 02:20:48,120
with creative new investigative

3295
02:20:53,840 --> 02:20:51,060
techniques this is the thing that's

3296
02:20:55,430 --> 02:20:53,850
gonna pull the field forward and take it

3297
02:20:58,040 --> 02:20:55,440
from being a proto science into the

3298
02:21:00,320 --> 02:20:58,050
realm of being accepted the apparent

3299
02:21:02,420 --> 02:21:00,330
parapsychological work that's being done

3300
02:21:04,460 --> 02:21:02,430
I think is gonna dovetail nicely with

3301
02:21:07,160 --> 02:21:04,470
with the efforts of groups like yours

3302
02:21:10,880 --> 02:21:07,170
well that's appreciative now what was

3303
02:21:13,370 --> 02:21:10,890
the name of the documentary you dead

3304
02:21:15,650 --> 02:21:13,380
whisper yeah oh is that something that's

3305
02:21:17,810 --> 02:21:15,660
available online or yeah paranormal

3306
02:21:19,580 --> 02:21:17,820
Media Group calm all right I'll check

3307
02:21:22,969 --> 02:21:19,590
that out because I'm totally up for

3308
02:21:27,910 --> 02:21:22,979
documentaries I I don't have regular TV

3309
02:21:31,550 --> 02:21:27,920
it's just Netflix and Hulu and Internet

3310
02:21:34,670 --> 02:21:31,560
we're exploring the paranormal and the

3311
02:21:38,120 --> 02:21:34,680
kind of research that someone like Jeff

3312
02:21:39,469 --> 02:21:38,130
Stewart does now I'm gonna ask you a

3313
02:21:41,930 --> 02:21:39,479
quick question here before we go into

3314
02:21:44,210 --> 02:21:41,940
our final segment and that is the kind

3315
02:21:46,160 --> 02:21:44,220
of people that you deal with we kind of

3316
02:21:49,040 --> 02:21:46,170
like to think that the best witnesses

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02:21:51,650 --> 02:21:49,050
are police officers firefighters people

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02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:51,660
like that who are experienced observers

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02:21:57,469 --> 02:21:55,290
and are inclined to we hope give honest

3320
02:22:00,200 --> 02:21:57,479
information about what they see and when

3321
02:22:02,660 --> 02:22:00,210
they saw it so you can sit back and

3322
02:22:04,070 --> 02:22:02,670
interpret the information and see the

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view getting somebody who's going to

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give you descriptions especially

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eyewitness testimony that would be

3326
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considered accurate sit on that question

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we have Jeff Stewart who will answer it

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sounds like a movie as good as it gets

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but he's not talking about fat is it we

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the power cast Jeff we want to ask you

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caliber of people who are witnesses do

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you find they're really high-end super

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a parlor show because they watch the TV

3451
02:27:31,790 --> 02:27:30,120
shows and you know those are the people

3452
02:27:34,820 --> 02:27:31,800
we try to weed out but you can't always

3453
02:27:37,760 --> 02:27:34,830
get all of them so but for the most part

3454
02:27:40,820 --> 02:27:37,770
yeah you know I look for the legitimate

3455
02:27:44,300 --> 02:27:40,830
people that really have concern in their

3456
02:27:46,880 --> 02:27:44,310
eyes as someone who deals with you know

3457
02:27:49,219 --> 02:27:46,890
apprehend in bail jumpers and criminals

3458
02:27:51,500 --> 02:27:49,229
all the time I've been able to read

3459
02:27:54,110 --> 02:27:51,510
people when I'm interviewing them so I

3460
02:27:56,719 --> 02:27:54,120
get kind of a good sense of the BS

3461
02:27:59,960 --> 02:27:56,729
people and then versus the people that

3462
02:28:02,059 --> 02:27:59,970
have legitimate claims to the paranormal

3463
02:28:04,729 --> 02:28:02,069
or people that are really frightened and

3464
02:28:07,040 --> 02:28:04,739
scared you know I've been able to detect

3465
02:28:09,679 --> 02:28:07,050
you know those type of people versus the

3466
02:28:11,809 --> 02:28:09,689
people that I'd rather assume just walk

3467
02:28:14,120 --> 02:28:11,819
out and and ask for some kind of gas

3468
02:28:16,670 --> 02:28:14,130
reimbursement which I never do we're 110

3469
02:28:17,990 --> 02:28:16,680
percent financed by ourselves so so if

3470
02:28:19,610 --> 02:28:18,000
you don't do somebody's home you say oh

3471
02:28:22,160 --> 02:28:19,620
they're just playing games with me you

3472
02:28:24,320 --> 02:28:22,170
just go on politely and say it's time to

3473
02:28:26,059 --> 02:28:24,330
leave we would still because obviously

3474
02:28:27,860 --> 02:28:26,069
we're going to set up we're gonna meet

3475
02:28:30,139 --> 02:28:27,870
these people which we usually do

3476
02:28:32,929 --> 02:28:30,149
beforehand I have a case manager that

3477
02:28:36,559 --> 02:28:32,939
that works really hard for our group I

3478
02:28:37,250 --> 02:28:36,569
mean you know Karen is really given 110

3479
02:28:39,290 --> 02:28:37,260
percent

3480
02:28:42,830 --> 02:28:39,300
Betty Miller who's my assistant she's

3481
02:28:44,420 --> 02:28:42,840
given a hundred and ten percent and they

3482
02:28:48,019 --> 02:28:44,430
are usually the ones that are out there

3483
02:28:50,690 --> 02:28:48,029
on the front line that's able to you

3484
02:28:53,420 --> 02:28:50,700
know detect who's being truthful with us

3485
02:28:55,790 --> 02:28:53,430
and who's not but that I'm sure they'll

3486
02:28:57,650 --> 02:28:55,800
even admit that they can't always catch

3487
02:28:59,900 --> 02:28:57,660
them they can't always catch the people

3488
02:29:02,030 --> 02:28:59,910
that are trying to persuade us so when

3489
02:29:03,679 --> 02:29:02,040
we do get there we try to you know make

3490
02:29:05,960 --> 02:29:03,689
the best of it if anything that

3491
02:29:07,939 --> 02:29:05,970
becomes a training exercise at that

3492
02:29:11,210 --> 02:29:07,949
point even though we know that they're

3493
02:29:13,040 --> 02:29:11,220
not being completely honest with us but

3494
02:29:14,989 --> 02:29:13,050
you know you also gotta kind of wonder

3495
02:29:18,260 --> 02:29:14,999
if some of these people there's a little

3496
02:29:20,540 --> 02:29:18,270
bit honesty in their lives that they're

3497
02:29:23,090 --> 02:29:20,550
telling us or deception whatever the

3498
02:29:26,109 --> 02:29:23,100
case may be what if there was paranormal

3499
02:29:28,790 --> 02:29:26,119
activity going on in the home and

3500
02:29:30,859 --> 02:29:28,800
because of their embellishing it or

3501
02:29:33,139 --> 02:29:30,869
making some things up and not other

3502
02:29:34,849 --> 02:29:33,149
things you know then it become our job

3503
02:29:36,819 --> 02:29:34,859
to wean that out so we kind of want to

3504
02:29:39,679 --> 02:29:36,829
be there since we're already there

3505
02:29:41,389 --> 02:29:39,689
observing the record part of the problem

3506
02:29:43,519 --> 02:29:41,399
here too if someone had a genuine

3507
02:29:45,830 --> 02:29:43,529
experience and Van is seeking 15 minutes

3508
02:29:47,359 --> 02:29:45,840
of fame they fabricate more experiences

3509
02:29:49,399 --> 02:29:47,369
well it's hard to take anything they say

3510
02:29:51,979 --> 02:29:49,409
seriously they lie here they must be

3511
02:29:55,130 --> 02:29:51,989
lying elsewhere the legal concept true

3512
02:29:57,920 --> 02:29:55,140
true that that is true going back just

3513
02:29:59,510 --> 02:29:57,930
very quickly to the reality shows in

3514
02:30:01,880 --> 02:29:59,520
dealing with any of those people anyone

3515
02:30:05,090 --> 02:30:01,890
ask you to fabricate something or to

3516
02:30:07,399 --> 02:30:05,100
embellish for the sake of television no

3517
02:30:11,779 --> 02:30:07,409
I've never encountered that and I've

3518
02:30:14,359 --> 02:30:11,789
done a couple of documentaries and one

3519
02:30:16,309 --> 02:30:14,369
particular show in mind the group calls

3520
02:30:18,710 --> 02:30:16,319
themselves scared I'm not sure if you're

3521
02:30:19,639 --> 02:30:18,720
familiar with them but those guys did

3522
02:30:22,250 --> 02:30:19,649
such a great job

3523
02:30:24,019 --> 02:30:22,260
these guys are paranormal investigators

3524
02:30:25,849 --> 02:30:24,029
with camera they're their own camera

3525
02:30:27,739 --> 02:30:25,859
crew I personally think that's the way

3526
02:30:30,769 --> 02:30:27,749
it should be you should be out there

3527
02:30:32,599 --> 02:30:30,779
with you know a camera crew that are

3528
02:30:36,199 --> 02:30:32,609
also investigators so that way you don't

3529
02:30:38,870 --> 02:30:36,209
have the manipulations you gotta do this

3530
02:30:40,550 --> 02:30:38,880
and and what's let's film you right now

3531
02:30:41,830 --> 02:30:40,560
walking down the hallway when you've

3532
02:30:45,050 --> 02:30:41,840
been there all day

3533
02:30:46,729 --> 02:30:45,060
well take take reality to its to the you

3534
02:30:49,519 --> 02:30:46,739
know to its highest level and that is

3535
02:30:51,800 --> 02:30:49,529
show true reality and and not take it

3536
02:30:53,420 --> 02:30:51,810
out of sequence not add shots that don't

3537
02:30:55,699 --> 02:30:53,430
belong that sort of thing dead whisper

3538
02:30:57,979 --> 02:30:55,709
was done properly we we showed exactly

3539
02:31:01,370 --> 02:30:57,989
what it's like to walk into these sights

3540
02:31:03,889 --> 02:31:01,380
with no frills no bells no whistles just

3541
02:31:05,660 --> 02:31:03,899
this is what we experienced when we were

3542
02:31:07,719 --> 02:31:05,670
in there and that's it I agree totally I

3543
02:31:10,099 --> 02:31:07,729
think that the part of the whole

3544
02:31:12,889 --> 02:31:10,109
documentation process if you will should

3545
02:31:15,170 --> 02:31:12,899
be done by you know semi-professional if

3546
02:31:17,240 --> 02:31:15,180
not professional videographers and a

3547
02:31:19,460 --> 02:31:17,250
crew operating sound equipment prop

3548
02:31:21,680 --> 02:31:19,470
lighting that sort of thing and not

3549
02:31:23,870 --> 02:31:21,690
setting shots up and not you know as you

3550
02:31:26,690 --> 02:31:23,880
use the term docudrama which i think is

3551
02:31:28,810 --> 02:31:26,700
really really quite accurate with a lot

3552
02:31:31,640 --> 02:31:28,820
of these shows there are exceptions

3553
02:31:33,620 --> 02:31:31,650
shows trying to do it right so you can't

3554
02:31:35,960 --> 02:31:33,630
you can't you know paint with two bottle

3555
02:31:37,460 --> 02:31:35,970
brush stroke but but we have to as you

3556
02:31:38,720 --> 02:31:37,470
brought out early on we have to remember

3557
02:31:41,150 --> 02:31:38,730
these guys were in the business of

3558
02:31:43,340 --> 02:31:41,160
entertainment so right that's why your

3559
02:31:46,670 --> 02:31:43,350
idea of bringing in a crew that's not

3560
02:31:48,400 --> 02:31:46,680
there to do anything but document what

3561
02:31:51,530 --> 02:31:48,410
happens I think that's important right

3562
02:31:55,130 --> 02:31:51,540
all right absolutely taking this journal

3563
02:31:57,440 --> 02:31:55,140
to future work what's on your agenda for

3564
02:31:59,360 --> 02:31:57,450
the next few years in terms of trying to

3565
02:32:02,630 --> 02:31:59,370
get a better handle on what's really

3566
02:32:05,480 --> 02:32:02,640
going on here I'm gonna continue doing

3567
02:32:08,150 --> 02:32:05,490
what I do and and hopefully learn some

3568
02:32:10,870 --> 02:32:08,160
new tricks I I think it's all about

3569
02:32:14,960 --> 02:32:10,880
trying new things learning new

3570
02:32:17,210 --> 02:32:14,970
techniques and you know even though it's

3571
02:32:19,220 --> 02:32:17,220
unfortunate that we have individuals

3572
02:32:23,090 --> 02:32:19,230
that come and go but I think new people

3573
02:32:25,370 --> 02:32:23,100
new thoughts new ideas is really what's

3574
02:32:28,790 --> 02:32:25,380
needed in the field fresh faces fresh

3575
02:32:30,920 --> 02:32:28,800
theories so I you know I'm gonna keep on

3576
02:32:33,350 --> 02:32:30,930
searching and keep helping people first

3577
02:32:34,610 --> 02:32:33,360
and foremost of course and you know if

3578
02:32:36,350 --> 02:32:34,620
one day that maybe I'll have my own

3579
02:32:39,700 --> 02:32:36,360
experience and I can come back and tell

3580
02:32:42,080 --> 02:32:39,710
gene and Chris that I I'm now a 110%

3581
02:32:48,860 --> 02:32:42,090
believer and I met Elvis

3582
02:32:51,050 --> 02:32:48,870
that's my dreams gonna be found in the

3583
02:32:53,960 --> 02:32:51,060
spirit world to be fat like he was in

3584
02:32:56,240 --> 02:32:53,970
real life in his latter years so maybe

3585
02:32:57,320 --> 02:32:56,250
Elvis never left the building he's still

3586
02:32:59,120 --> 02:32:57,330
in that building let's go to Las Vegas

3587
02:33:01,340 --> 02:32:59,130
if they haven't taken that building down

3588
02:33:03,080 --> 02:33:01,350
it's still there I haven't followed Las

3589
02:33:05,270 --> 02:33:03,090
Vegas in terms of construction and

3590
02:33:07,100 --> 02:33:05,280
deconstruction and all that so I have to

3591
02:33:09,440 --> 02:33:07,110
wonder I've never been there

3592
02:33:11,390 --> 02:33:09,450
hopefully there's McDonald's you know in

3593
02:33:13,640 --> 02:33:11,400
heaven or wherever we go after because

3594
02:33:15,860 --> 02:33:13,650
I'm sure he'll be happy oh yeah he's

3595
02:33:17,210 --> 02:33:15,870
gonna have all this Big Macs but we

3596
02:33:18,530 --> 02:33:17,220
don't say too much about Big Macs

3597
02:33:21,140 --> 02:33:18,540
because they do not pay us for the

3598
02:33:25,970 --> 02:33:21,150
advertising so they are not entitled to

3599
02:33:28,010 --> 02:33:25,980
a free plug I'll go to Wendy's the anti

3600
02:33:29,570 --> 02:33:28,020
just cut of all let them all go to

3601
02:33:30,139 --> 02:33:29,580
Wendy's and let's see what's gonna

3602
02:33:32,599 --> 02:33:30,149
happen

3603
02:33:34,429 --> 02:33:32,609
there look for the ghosts at Wendy's the

3604
02:33:35,479 --> 02:33:34,439
ghosts of Dave Thomas ghosts of wedding

3605
02:33:38,359 --> 02:33:35,489
I've never had

3606
02:33:40,189 --> 02:33:38,369
ghosts incidents and public places like

3607
02:33:41,239 --> 02:33:40,199
relatively new restaurants I'm not

3608
02:33:43,189 --> 02:33:41,249
talking about one that's been there for

3609
02:33:44,809 --> 02:33:43,199
a hundred years but new restaurants new

3610
02:33:48,340 --> 02:33:44,819
fast-food outlets do you find

3611
02:33:51,559 --> 02:33:48,350
experiences reports there yes actually a

3612
02:33:53,019 --> 02:33:51,569
true story I won't mention that name of

3613
02:33:56,239 --> 02:33:53,029
the restaurant that I mentioned earlier

3614
02:33:58,279 --> 02:33:56,249
but on Bank Street in downtown

3615
02:34:00,710 --> 02:33:58,289
Burlington Vermont there was that

3616
02:34:03,649 --> 02:34:00,720
fast-food restaurant that put up a new

3617
02:34:06,380 --> 02:34:03,659
building in the 80s as the crew moved in

3618
02:34:08,689 --> 02:34:06,390
business was open as usual some of the

3619
02:34:09,979 --> 02:34:08,699
employees got really spooked by the

3620
02:34:11,960 --> 02:34:09,989
basement now this is a brand new

3621
02:34:13,729 --> 02:34:11,970
facility in the 80s that they built so

3622
02:34:16,309 --> 02:34:13,739
you know how it can it be haunted nobody

3623
02:34:18,349 --> 02:34:16,319
died there but they report even to this

3624
02:34:20,510 --> 02:34:18,359
day even though it's now a privately

3625
02:34:23,120 --> 02:34:20,520
owned restaurant at this time they

3626
02:34:25,340 --> 02:34:23,130
report that that cellar is haunted but

3627
02:34:27,469 --> 02:34:25,350
it's fairly a new building and that's

3628
02:34:30,170 --> 02:34:27,479
where my earlier theory what I think

3629
02:34:32,149 --> 02:34:30,180
that energy is mostly captured on land

3630
02:34:33,949 --> 02:34:32,159
or or at state fix the land because

3631
02:34:36,830 --> 02:34:33,959
there was a building there that was

3632
02:34:39,349 --> 02:34:36,840
built sometime in the early 1800s that

3633
02:34:41,569 --> 02:34:39,359
did burn down and unfortunately and

3634
02:34:43,870 --> 02:34:41,579
tragically that a father and his two

3635
02:34:46,010 --> 02:34:43,880
children were trapped in the lower

3636
02:34:47,840 --> 02:34:46,020
apartment the building pretty much

3637
02:34:50,179 --> 02:34:47,850
collapse as as they do when they're on

3638
02:34:53,870 --> 02:34:50,189
fire especially all made of wood and

3639
02:34:55,760 --> 02:34:53,880
what is now the basement area of this

3640
02:34:57,649 --> 02:34:55,770
restaurant that's down there on Bank

3641
02:35:00,769 --> 02:34:57,659
Street and that's what people were

3642
02:35:02,719 --> 02:35:00,779
reporting before anybody really knew the

3643
02:35:05,210 --> 02:35:02,729
story so those are the kinds of stories

3644
02:35:07,250 --> 02:35:05,220
that I Zone in on and say that's

3645
02:35:08,359 --> 02:35:07,260
interesting because there you there's a

3646
02:35:09,889 --> 02:35:08,369
new building a new basement

3647
02:35:13,340 --> 02:35:09,899
state-of-the-art equipment

3648
02:35:17,149 --> 02:35:13,350
well back in 80's that is and people are

3649
02:35:20,300 --> 02:35:17,159
report seeing a little girl and an older

3650
02:35:22,340 --> 02:35:20,310
man so yeah you know you hear that quite

3651
02:35:25,479 --> 02:35:22,350
often and go figure that it's a

3652
02:35:27,649 --> 02:35:25,489
well-known fast-food restaurant no plug

3653
02:35:29,659 --> 02:35:27,659
tell our listeners if they want more

3654
02:35:31,370 --> 02:35:29,669
information about your organization how

3655
02:35:33,859 --> 02:35:31,380
do they get in touch with you well you

3656
02:35:38,689 --> 02:35:33,869
can like us on Facebook but we're at p.i

3657
02:35:40,939 --> 02:35:38,699
New England org p.i New England org and

3658
02:35:42,769 --> 02:35:40,949
they could send you an email from the

3659
02:35:43,820 --> 02:35:42,779
site in case they have an experience to

3660
02:35:45,500 --> 02:35:43,830
report

3661
02:35:47,301 --> 02:35:45,510
there's nothing you require a specific

3662
02:35:49,220 --> 02:35:47,311
minimal amount of information to just

3663
02:35:51,230 --> 02:35:49,230
say look I've saw a ghost last night

3664
02:35:53,511 --> 02:35:51,240
give me a call yeah I usually don't

3665
02:35:55,460 --> 02:35:53,521
respond to those it's got to be more I

3666
02:35:57,590 --> 02:35:55,470
tell people to keep journals keep you

3667
02:35:59,480 --> 02:35:57,600
know amateur recordings if they like I

3668
02:36:01,940 --> 02:35:59,490
don't mean like try their own EVP

3669
02:36:04,790 --> 02:36:01,950
session just you know an audio journal

3670
02:36:06,980 --> 02:36:04,800
or an actual you know written journal of

3671
02:36:08,990 --> 02:36:06,990
their experiences and as time permits

3672
02:36:10,910 --> 02:36:09,000
we'll try to make arrangements the best

3673
02:36:13,070 --> 02:36:10,920
weekend you come out and help sounds

3674
02:36:15,590 --> 02:36:13,080
good write it down folks and a reminder

3675
02:36:18,020 --> 02:36:15,600
neighbors you can find us on the para

3676
02:36:20,560 --> 02:36:18,030
cast at the para cast comm once again

3677
02:36:23,690 --> 02:36:20,570
that site is the para cast calm and

3678
02:36:25,580 --> 02:36:23,700
remember - we are to be found on Twitter

3679
02:36:27,650 --> 02:36:25,590
where we are known as the para cast what

3680
02:36:29,330 --> 02:36:27,660
else would we be called well some people

3681
02:36:31,340 --> 02:36:29,340
can give us an answer to that question

3682
02:36:33,230 --> 02:36:31,350
we don't want to say but we are the

3683
02:36:35,690 --> 02:36:33,240
power cast on Twitter we have our forums

3684
02:36:39,261 --> 02:36:35,700
at forum dr. power cast calm that's

3685
02:36:42,261 --> 02:36:39,271
forum dr. para cast calm Chris O'Brien's

3686
02:36:45,440 --> 02:36:42,271
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3687
02:36:46,910 --> 02:36:45,450
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3688
02:36:50,030 --> 02:36:46,920
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3689
02:36:54,520 --> 02:36:50,040
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3690
02:36:59,570 --> 02:36:57,801
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3691
02:37:02,690 --> 02:36:59,580
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3692
02:37:06,501 --> 02:37:02,700
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